Nieuport 28 Art Work

[c.hill]

Hello. This is my first time on this forum, and I have no expertise in World War I aircraft, so, please forgive me in advance for any misnomer's or incorrect references. I am an Archivist and am processing a collection of a WWI veteran. There are many images in his papers that we have been able to identify, however, there are two images in particular of what appear to be Nieuport 28s with unusual art on the right side of the planes. Each is a separate piece of art and neither have markings that indicate a particular squadron (such as "Hat in the Ring"). Both pieces are individual represantations, one appears to be US soldiers crossing a battlefield (that plane has tail #3985) and the other depicts a soldier on horseback shooting at a wolf (no tail # is visible). Each cowling (?) also has separate art.

All of the images are posted on-line at http://157.89.125.137:8080/imagedb/i...Submit+request

The collection is the Walter J. Binder Papers. He served at Romorantin at the Air Service Production Center No. 2. There are some excellent photographs of the facility and planes being assembled (including the 1000th DH-4) and others that we would appreciate any help in making proper identification.

thanks,

chuck hill
University Archivist
Eastern Kentucky University

[Jim D]

Thanks for these photos. It's really great to see new WW1 subjects published.

I'm not an expert but, the Nieuport shown is definitely not a 28. The giveaway is the ailerons on the upper wing instead of lower.

[FOKKERJ]

Hi Chuck Hill and Jim D,

Welcome to both of you to the Aerodrome.

Thank you Chuck for sharing the great site and fotos.

The two planes in question look like Nieuport 27 or 24 bis, as Jim D pointed out, The Nieuport 28's ailerons were on the lower wing only. These two machines both have the sesquiplane wing layout, the 28's upper and lower wings had about the same surface area.

From my experience, the only American planes with outlandish or personal markings, except Raoul Lufbery's "Hakenkreuse", were on training aircraft or were after the Armistice.

Very Best Regards, FOKKERJ

aka Jay Schwartz

[Cigogne]

The overturned aircraft No. 871 is not a Nieuport 21, but rather a development of the Nieuport 12 (Type 81, 82... etc) and is a two seater trainer. Look at the cabane struts and they are the same as on the Type 10 and Type 12 two seater aircraft. Also, the interplane Vee-struts are slanted outwards, a feature of the Type 12 (and 81, 82 variants). They are training aircraft from Romorantin.

[AAC Cadet Leader]

how very interesting and unusual to see pictorial art on a fuselage. thank you for sharing.

[c.hill]

gentlemen,

thank-you for all of your assistance so far.

I am working with one of my colleagues to create a Flickr account that will have higher resolution scans (not downloadable) and will try reposting. I realize that the quality of the images have not been good but I'm hoping that if we can get the 300dpi images up that you might be able to take a look at them again.

please be on the lookout for a new posting.

thanks,

chuck hill

[AAC Cadet Leader]

many excellent photos there! thank you for your effort.

[Sreiko]

Nice web site but I see only small images... anyway thank you for sharing