Lloyd CV

gregorydquist · 10 May 2008, 12:17 PM

Hello all,

I am building the Special Hobby 1/48 Lloyd C.V., 46.04. One of the fairly unique characteristics of this a/c is that the wings have a wood veneer. I have the Windsock Intl data file for this a/c.

I have the following questions and trust that someone out there has answers or educated interpretations:

1. Would the grain of the veneer on the wings run from leading edge to trailing edge?

2. I assume that separate panels are used between each wing rib/rib cover strip. Correct?

3. There are few if any signs of panels on the fuselage sides in either drawings or photos. Could this have a been a continuous piece (excluding the top engine covers)? If not where would the panel edges be located? There seems to be one break just in front of the leading edge of the "tailfeathers"

4. this a/c was finished with autumn leaves camouflage daubed on with sponge or rags. I know the wood was varnished to protect it. My guess is that the paint was applied over the varnish, but I would appreciate confirmation of this. If done in the field, this would certainly be the case, but if done at the factory would this still be true?

I will work on posting pictures for comment and critique as the build progresses. Maybe this way I'll actually complete this one. I was a bit surpised to see all the kits I've started at one time of over the years, but never finished. I don't know that I have full blown AMS, but I seem to have developed at least the preliminary symptoms.

TIA
Greg Rydquist

mario holly · 16 May 2008, 08:58 AM

Hi,
Bellow I'm trying to react, hope it helps a bit
1. it's logical due to stress distribution, however I would not exclude application at certain angle relative to a/c axis (like lozenge)
2. not necessarily, again due to stress distribution I'd better cover as many rib stations as possible, what was the size limit of plywood piece is unknown to me though, that reflects upon point 3 further
3. I doubt (see above), there must have been some size limits due to manufacturing and design specifications, there are not enough good quality period pics around to confirm or disprove
4. I'm confident that camo was applied over factory finish of varnished/doped natural material, there is a pattern of this custom with many other A-H types
BTW I was not aware of Windsock on this plane, are you talking about Datafile? What number is it?
Regards,
Mario
NYC

Quote:

Originally Posted by gregorydquist

Hello all,

I am building the Special Hobby 1/48 Lloyd C.V., 46.04. One of the fairly unique characteristics of this a/c is that the wings have a wood veneer. I have the Windsock Intl data file for this a/c.

I have the following questions and trust that someone out there has answers or educated interpretations:

1. Would the grain of the veneer on the wings run from leading edge to trailing edge?
2. I assume that separate panels are used between each wing rib/rib cover strip. Correct?
3. There are few if any signs of panels on the fuselage sides in either drawings or photos. Could this have a been a continuous piece (excluding the top engine covers)? If not where would the panel edges be located? There seems to be one break just in front of the leading edge of the "tailfeathers"
4. this a/c was finished with autumn leaves camouflage daubed on with sponge or rags. I know the wood was varnished to protect it. My guess is that the paint was applied over the varnish, but I would appreciate confirmation of this. If done in the field, this would certainly be the case, but if done at the factory would this still be true?
I will work on posting pictures for comment and critique as the build progresses. Maybe this way I'll actually complete this one. I was a bit surpised to see all the kits I've started at one time of over the years, but never finished. I don't know that I have full blown AMS, but I seem to have developed at least the preliminary symptoms.

TIA
Greg Rydquist

gregorydquist · 19 May 2008, 04:48 PM

Mario
Thanks for the reply. Would have responded sooner, but had family visiting for younger sons college education. and it's gotten to the point where one never knows how many will be able to attend the next family get together due to distance and schedules and life in general.

I had a chance to do some more thinking and research after my inititial posting.

Re 1: Other posts elsewhere in the forum about plywood grain orientation for wing ribs bolstered my assumption that the grain runs from Leading edge to TE. Thx for your concurrence. Angled applications might be possible, but it seems likely to me that little tidbit would be included with the info that the wings were coverd with veneer. so applying Occum's razor and absent any evidence to the contrary, I will depict the wood grain on the wings running paralell to the fuselage

Re 2: I agree that it makes sense that large single panels of plywood would be applied across mulitple rib stations. And I don't have a clue either what the standard panel sizes might have been (maybe 2x3 meters or so, since 21st century american plywood is 4'x8' standard and can be larger) So I will show some adjacent sections of the wings with similar graining, while showing others with a different grain to indicate the probable variatons found on the originals.

Re 3: we agree here as well.

Re 4: It made sense to me, I just wanted to sound out the idea. Thanks agin for your feedback.

Windsock International, Vol 6, No 1 Jan Feb/ 1990 covers this AC (Lloyd C.V)

I'v prety much finished the wings for wood grain. Working on refining the cockpit and attempting my first scratch built engine. Great instructions and tips at http://worldatwar.netchandelle/v2/v2n1/engines.html for AustroDaimler 185 HP

So what is your interest in WW1 aviation?

Greg

mario holly · 19 May 2008, 04:56 PM

Hi Greg,
I'm glad I could help-to a certain point. Post some more pics as you progress.
My interest in WWI is, well, Austria-Hungary in the first place! Of course I'm planning on building Lloyd myself, 1/72 though. I mainly focus on single-seaters a flying boats (due to G.Banfield). Other WWI interests are Italy, Russia, little bit of Germans (working on H-B W.29 right now).
Cheers,
Mario

gregorydquist · 21 May 2008, 05:47 PM

This is as much a test of photo posting process as a progress update.

http://ravenms.razorstream.com/media...cWoQ%3D%3D.jpg

http://ravenms.razorstream.com/media...%2Bg%3D%3D.jpg

These links show pictures of engine with cylinders made of 1/8 aluminum tubing and 3/32 copper tubng, crimped and filed. cylinders #3 and #6 (#6 is on far right in the photo) look best to me. I thought the peaks visible on the other heads might fit into the groove of underside of the valve cover and help hold it in place, ...but that's not really what should happen.

I sawed off the cylinders of the engine from the kit and drilled 1/16" holes in the block into which I slid the cylinder sleeves for a secure fit.

Greg