Aircraft & Camo of Erich Mix in WWI?

KitMTee · 2 June 2008, 08:32 AM

Hi everybody,

I would like to do a pair of aircraft in 1/48 that both belonged to Dr. Erich Mix - a BF 109 E-3 (already in progress) of WWII and a Fokker D.VII which is said to have been one of his mounts in WWI. Can someone confirm wether it really was a D.VII that Mix flew, plus any ideas as to how this plane looked like?

Thanks a lot and best regards from Germany,
KitMTee

Dan_San_Abbott · 2 June 2008, 12:07 PM

KitMTee:
I have a three view drawing in color available in 1/72 scale. if iterested in purchasing a copy of the drawing, send a personal E-mail here on the Forum.
Just click on my name.
Blue skies,
Dan-San

KitMTee · 6 August 2008, 07:46 AM

I just received my copy of Fokker D.VII Aces in WWI Part II, which gives a fairly usable profile for Mix's machine. Sorry, all out there, but I really can't believe that nobody knew the machine was depicted in this book

! OK, Dan-San, I understand that everybody wants to make a living, but selling things that are already published does not sound fair, does it?

RAGIII · 6 August 2008, 11:21 AM

Don't assume that everyone knows what is contained in certain books. I have a fairly large collection of Osprey titles but I don't have the one you referred to. DSA may not have that book either! He offerred to sell you a drawing in good faith, not trying to rip you off. I usually stay out of stuff like this but your remark seems rather unfair. JMHO,
RAGIII

KitMTee · 7 August 2008, 12:54 AM

I did not want to sound unfair. I have read a lot of threads in this forum lately, and my deep impression is that the forumites her are a bunch of real experts. I just wondered that - after Dan-Sans reply - nobody came up with this really small scrap of information, especially after I saw that there are several threads regarding Aces of both wars etc. But maybe its just me. Sorry if I overestimated your knowledge. Happy modeling!

ONEALM · 7 August 2008, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Sorry if I overestimated your knowledge.

Not a very good way to win friends and influence people.

Sounds to me like you did a little homework when the Teachers didn't give you an answer and found what you are looking for. Good job.

We all enjoy answering questions - especially difficult ones - but if the Students fail to do their homework, the Teachers are unlikely to simply give the answers away.

Perhaps next time you'll do your homework first before you ask a question.

StephenLawson · 7 August 2008, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by KitMTee

". . . - after Dan-San's reply - nobody came up with this really small scrap of information . . ."

Where do you think they got some of their information from? Look at the book's credits.

Gregvan · 7 August 2008, 05:21 PM

Hi,

I've not joined in this discussion to this point, as I've been rather busy. Anyway I'm sure people around here get tired of me recommending such-and-such book that I've been involved with . I published the color scheme of the Jasta 54s D.VII marked with a skull & crossbones within a "V" emblem in both Fokker D VII Anthology 3 and later in the Osprey book. The photo it's based on has been published in Above the Lines (1993) by Franks, Bailey and Guest, and also in an Avions magazine No. 74 (Mai 1999) in a good article on Erich Mix by Christophe Cony and Pierre Martin.

Well, I don't want to rain on anybody's parade, but German historian Manfred Thiemeyer has informed me that the photo that keeps turning up does not actually show Erich Mix at all. Rather, it shows Ltn. Vogt of Jasta 54s. This makes complete sense to me, since the personal emblem includes a "V". Manfred was very emphatic about this, as he has seen the original photo in a period album with the correct label. I don't know how it ever became associated with Mix, but I felt I should correct this misconception that I have unknowlingly helped to perpetuate.

You can take or leave that info; makes no difference to me. It's probable that Mix flew a D.VII from the same production batch and at least displaying the green and white unit stripes of Saxony on the tailplane; I don't know what his personal emblem would have been. It's even possible he may have flown Vogt's aircraft once or twice, wartime conditions being what they were.

Very best wishes to all. I'm done here.

Greg

KitMTee · 8 August 2008, 08:28 AM

@Gregvan:
Thanks for your information; I go with your belief that Mix possibly flew the same plane as Vogt, so if no further information turns up, thats ok with me. We talk about events about 90 years ago, so there will always be some uncertainty.

@ONEALM:
I'm sorry if I sounded - well, what? I tried to translate a perfectly decent german statement (which means that I think somebody knows more than he actually does, which in itself is rather a compliment) in my - perhaps rather humble - english; whats wrong with it? To go with your Teacher-Pupil-Comparison: In Germany we don't have to pay for high school, perhaps that's what makes the difference. If I had paid for it (like in England or the USA), maybe my english would be better. But, to give you a real challenge: Please answer me in German, and I will talk no more about it!

Bookmaker · 8 August 2008, 04:47 PM

Having purchased one of Dan San's works, there is one aspect that has been overlooked.

For the nominal fee he requests, Dan San provides a color 3 VIEW drawing of the plane you request. You find very few of those in the books.

Dale