Back again to Voss' Triplane please....

corsair13 · 1 September 2008, 01:45 PM

Ok, I am starting MY build of Voss' F.I using the Eduard kit, and I need to verify the conclusions I have come to, and check if there is anything I missed. I have searched and read darned near everything I could find here at The Aerodrome, in particular these two threads...

davecww1:
Linen color for Voss F.I?

Sreiko:
Fokker Dr.I Eduard 1/48 kit 1136

Here is what I have surmised, and how I am going to proceed in ONE list of specific points regarding F.I 103/17:

Fuselage and wing camouflage:
Topsides in olive streaks over BLEACHED linen, (with perhaps a thin, translucent light blue pigment in the dope...don't know if I will try the tinted dope or not...maybe) with a solid patch of olive on the forward Fuselage. Bottom finished in light blue.
Stub-wing finished in solid olive on top, with light blue underneath-The demarcation line on the leading edge is located below the leading edge curvature.

Cowling in olive (my choice) and wheel covers might be olive or some other painted color, perhaps yellow. (TBD during build)

Underwing background for cross is natural bleached linen color. (Again, maybe with the blue tinted dope...)

Struts are all light blue, with wr num. on the INSIDES of the interplane struts.

Two small white patches on forward port fuselage with tiny writing on them..perhaps weight tables.

I intend to weather the model, and will attempt the following:
Patched rudder with bright white patches.
Chips and patches on horizontal stabilizer, and upperwing crosses.

LOTS of castor oil stains on stub-wing, bottom, and fuselage sides, and port wing. Also, this aircraft had many stains that followed the tubular fuselage structure on both fuselage sides.
The Stenciled serials are extremely faded in some photos, perhaps due to wiping the excess castor oil from the fuselage sides. In other photos, the stencils appear to have been re-applied, but not as neat as the factory, and are stained with oil.

Please let me know what I missed!

In particular, I am looking for a poll or consensus about the yellow wheel covers...It is obvious that they have been re-painted, perhaps just in olive. Would Voss have had yellow wheels and olive cowling? What's your opinion? It's all conjecture, so fire away!

I know this topic is a dead horse. The aforementioned threads discuss all of this in detail, but I wanted it all in one place for quick reference.

Thanks for your idulgence,
Gregg Cooper

tcrean7828 · 1 September 2008, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by corsair13

Ok, I am starting MY build of Voss' F.I using the Eduard kit, and I need to verify the conclusions I have come to, and check if there is anything I missed. I have searched and read darned near everything I could find here at The Aerodrome, in particular these two threads...

davecww1:
Linen color for Voss F.I?

Sreiko:
Fokker Dr.I Eduard 1/48 kit 1136

Here is what I have surmised, and how I am going to proceed in ONE list of specific points regarding F.I 103/17:

Fuselage and wing camouflage:
Topsides in olive streaks over BLEACHED linen, (with perhaps a thin, translucent light blue pigment in the dope...don't know if I will try the tinted dope or not...maybe) with a solid patch of olive on the forward Fuselage. Bottom finished in light blue.
Stub-wing finished in solid olive on top, with light blue underneath-The demarcation line on the leading edge is located below the leading edge curvature.

Cowling in olive (my choice) and wheel covers might be olive or some other painted color, perhaps yellow. (TBD during build)

Underwing background for cross is natural bleached linen color. (Again, maybe with the blue tinted dope...)

Struts are all light blue, with wr num. on the INSIDES of the interplane struts.

Two small white patches on forward port fuselage with tiny writing on them..perhaps weight tables.

I intend to weather the model, and will attempt the following:
Patched rudder with bright white patches.
Chips and patches on horizontal stabilizer, and upperwing crosses.

LOTS of castor oil stains on stub-wing, bottom, and fuselage sides, and port wing. Also, this aircraft had many stains that followed the tubular fuselage structure on both fuselage sides.
The Stenciled serials are extremely faded in some photos, perhaps due to wiping the excess castor oil from the fuselage sides. In other photos, the stencils appear to have been re-applied, but not as neat as the factory, and are stained with oil.

Please let me know what I missed!

In particular, I am looking for a poll or consensus about the yellow wheel covers...It is obvious that they have been re-painted, perhaps just in olive. Would Voss have had yellow wheels and olive cowling? What's your opinion? It's all conjecture, so fire away!

I know this topic is a dead horse. The aforementioned threads discuss all of this in detail, but I wanted it all in one place for quick reference.

Thanks for your idulgence,
Gregg Cooper

Mate,
My vote is for Olive on the wheel coves and as for the rest 'TAZ or Alex or Dan-San' would be your best bet (IMHO).

ttfn

tcrean7828

tom

Laserlloyd · 1 September 2008, 02:35 PM

Hi Gregg:

Well I'm not the color expert her but I would say to keep the blue out of the green striping. As you have stated the bottom of the wings and tail should be the light blue in addition to all the struts.

As far as the stenciling goes I have only seen the work number on the rudder and the production on the sides of the fuselage and that's it.

Lloyd...

MerlinV · 2 September 2008, 03:33 AM

Hey Gregg,

We never tire of going over Voss' Tripe.
I like the way you are intending to weather the machine.
Have you considered chipping?
The dope was pretty rubbish so far as quality is concerned and chipped fairly easily.

See my thread on the Aeroscale forum regarding this.

AeroScale :: A Chip off the Old Block!

Cheers,

Hugh

corsair13 · 2 September 2008, 06:39 AM

Thanks for the replies guys..

Laserlloyd,
The blue tinting I am referring to was brought up in the earlier threads. It is only a slight tint in the dope, (probably as a visual aid in the application of the product) and would not be noticeable under the olive streaks. It MIGHT be apparent in the large section of unpainted wing surface under the crosses on the bottom wing. The idea seems too controversial and trivial to worry about I think.

Merlin,
I have been following your thread at AeroScale as well. Great stuff! I will try to replicate the aircraft as it appears in the photos I have. There is also some repairs to the underside of the port top wing and lots of those little "chips", especially around the tail. I like your technique and will probably borrow the idea in one form or another. I would like to see more pictures!

Thanks guys,
Gregg

davecww1 · 4 September 2008, 10:02 AM

Hi Gregg,
Can't wait to see your finished model. You can see my final results in the July Internet Modeler - go to internetmodeler.com then click on the backissues link.
Will have to post some photos here since I wanted to wait until the Internet modeler article went to the backissue section before posting elsewhere.
Dave

corsair13 · 4 September 2008, 10:23 AM

Hi Dave, thanks for jumping into the thread. Yours was closed, or I would have continued the discussion there....I saw your finished model on IM .(It's in the July issue BTW) Congrats on a fine job!
It's a shame your other thread was hijacked for discussion about Voss' final battle, but there was some really good stuff in there as well.
I was hoping to continue the discussion since it's been months ago now, and new info may have been speculated

Guess not

I am starting the cockpit and sub-assemblies today, and will post pics as I go.
Eventually, I will post the finished model to Hyperscale.
Thanks again sir!
Gregg

davecww1 · 4 September 2008, 03:01 PM

No problem, thanks for the response and I'm always proud to inspire others to follow in my step, so glad that the previous threads have lead you to do the same. I concluded that the wheel covers were painted overall olive, this dark color looks the same as the cowl in the photos, even though you can see some paint on the tire in the photos. all this shows is that the wheel cover was painted with a brush and no masking tape was used, definately could have been done at the factory. Since the scheme was slightly different than the later DR.1, they may have done the solid olive wheel covers at the factory, and later on changed to the spun olive wheel covers.
Thanks for the update on the IM month, some days i can't remember what happened yesterday, but ask me what I did 20 years ago and I'll be able to tell you in full detail!

Dave

Dan_San_Abbott · 5 September 2008, 08:04 PM

Gentlemen:
I/am with Taz, there was no blue dope on the top ansd sides of Voss's Fok.F.I 103/17. Zip nada zero! But what the hell that is only my opinion!
Blue skies,
Dan-San

corsair13 · 5 September 2008, 08:52 PM

Hello Dan_San, Glad your are here.

You guys misunderstood me...
I am in TOTAL agreement that Voss' F.I was covered in BLEACHED linen, & therefore would display a very light grayish tan background to the olive streaks...unlike later Dr.I's that would be a warmer shade of tan due to the use of unbleached linen.

The blue I was referring to was quoted by Taz I think, who said that a piece of Dr.I fabric was analyzed, and was said to have "light blue tinted dope to shrink and seal the fabric, followed by application of light blue paint..." (on the undersides)

I think this quote was only for the underside?
And if so, were the UNDERSIDE cross fields (which were NOT painted white) possibly tinted a VERY SLIGHT blue shift from the bleached linen by the application of the tinted dope?

Thanks again, Dan_San. I have relied very heavily on your research for years.

Gregg