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Old 1 November 2008, 12:59 PM   #1 (permalink)
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258TH Aero Squadron Insignia

Hello,
I am a new member. I just recently aquired a 258TH Aero Squadron, squadron insignia cut from the side of a Salmson. I would like to display a nice photo with it showing the insignia on one of the squadrons aircraft, but since they became active only in the closing days of the war, have been able to find anything. Can anyone out there assist me?
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Old 1 November 2008, 08:49 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I did a quick search for photos.
The only one I could find is in 'Salmson Aircraft of WWI' by Flying Machine Press. On p. 88 is a partial pic of Salmson #14 showing the Lion Of Belfort
squadron insignia of the 258th AERO in May 1919. Photo credit is USAF Museum via R.Cavanagh.

I'm sure all of us would appreciate a photo of your insignia posted here.

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Old 1 November 2008, 09:08 PM   #3 (permalink)
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258TH Fabric

Here is a photo of the fabric. It is approx 42" X 30" at its widest point.
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Old 1 November 2008, 09:12 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Hi Cliff,
Any chance you could post the Air Force photo? It must be a public domain shot and I do not have the book.
There was a user " Mr. Jiggs" on this forum who claimed to have a collection of 258TH photos, but I don't know if he is still active. Did he share those photos with anyone who is reading this?
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Hello,
I am a new member. I just recently aquired a 258TH Aero Squadron, squadron insignia cut from the side of a Salmson. I would like to display a nice photo with it showing the insignia on one of the squadrons aircraft, but since they became active only in the closing days of the war, have been able to find anything. Can anyone out there assist me?
Thank you.
Scott Kraska
Hello Scott,

Just ran across this, and I hope its of some use.

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Old 24 December 2008, 12:26 PM   #6 (permalink)
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258TH Info

Thank you very much for the shot. Do you have others from the 258TH? My canvas came from aircraft 5 or 15 from the squadron, most likley 15. It is tough to find info on the 258TH. Almost nothing has been written about them. They did not get into combat until the last 8 days of the war and some of the other Salmson Squadrons have outstanding combat records, which have been the focus of articles. I have been unable to find anything in back issues of Cross and Cockade or Over the Front that will shed light on their history. As a matter of fact some sources claim the 258TH never saw combat at all. Page 44 of "Salmson Aircraft of WWI" gives an anecdote of a combat incident involving a Salmson of the 258TH.
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Thank you very much for the shot. Do you have others from the 258TH? My canvas came from aircraft 5 or 15 from the squadron, most likley 15. It is tough to find info on the 258TH. Almost nothing has been written about them. They did not get into combat until the last 8 days of the war and some of the other Salmson Squadrons have outstanding combat records, which have been the focus of articles. I have been unable to find anything in back issues of Cross and Cockade or Over the Front that will shed light on their history. As a matter of fact some sources claim the 258TH never saw combat at all. Page 44 of "Salmson Aircraft of WWI" gives an anecdote of a combat incident involving a Salmson of the 258TH.
From what I've just read, the 258th was in a quite sector were a unofficial truce was in force, but there were at least two flights that the aurthor was on, one in which he dropped some small "bombs", and got a chewing out for doing so, plus another were his aircraft almost got involved with some "yellow nosed Fokkers". It looks like there may have been some unoffical flights, but, it seems the squadron as a whole were fairly inactive.

The author was an observer in the 258th.

I have posted the remainder of the 258ths aircraft pics that were in the article. "JOHN A. LOGAN-BACKSEAT VOLUNTEER" by N.C.Shirley, Cross & Cockade Journal Vol.24 #3 Autumn 1983.
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The Gorrell Report has some info on the 258th, page 48 & 49 as follows:

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