errr red baron red................

[ludwig113]

hi all,

ok i have to build a Richthofen DR.1(its one of those things you have to do)but most of the models i've seen are bright red.

i remember seeing a patch of his plane in the imperial war museam here in london and(allowing for age) it seemed alot darker.

i will probably use misterkit paints and was wondering if their
GC15 GERMAN JASTA 11 RED was the closest shade around.

many thanks

paul

[Albert Ball]

I think it really depends on the age, when he painted it red it was most likely bright, and when he got shot down it would have been pretty dark. It's up to you if you want to make it look battle damaged.

[Laserlloyd]

I think Stephen Lawson would have a cross reference for you on that for the model paint.

Here are the colors from the existing fabric samples:
RED
Methuen 10F8 (Dan-San)
Methuen 4F4/5 (Paul Leaman)
Methuen 9/10 C8 and 9/10 E8 (Alan D. Toelle)
Methuen 9 (C-D) 8(Batter, Wally)

BLUE
Methuen 22 B 3.5 (Alan D. Toelle)

Lloyd...

[ludwig113]

ok,thanks for that,i'll mix a few shades and see which i like the best.

paul

[Kaiser Bill]

ludwig 113 (Paul) great idea...mix up a color that looks good to YOU. NOBODY really knows the exact color no matter what they say. If it looks good to you... thats all that matters. Its your model...your collection.

Kaiser Bill

[Dan_San_Abbott]

Lloyd:
The Paul Leaman reference 4F4/5 is not a red but the olive brown darkest color used in the streaking camouflage. In an interview with one of the attendees to the MvR funeral who visited the crashed DR.I 425/17, defined the color as a maroon which is a dark red, tinged blue.
Blue skies,
Dan-San

[Laserlloyd]

Hi Dan-San:

Oop's How did I let that one get by me...

Thanks for the correction I will update my notes on this.

Lloyd...

[ludwig113]

as i havn't been there for a long long long time,i'm going to go to the Imperial War Museam and have a look at the fabric they have,i'm not sure if they let you take photographs but if they do i'll post it on this site.

[Laserlloyd]

Hi ludwig113:

Here is a list of the fabric that IWM has, Photos would be welcomed but please hold of on no.4 as this is a new piece that has been recently rediscovered from being missing for 10-20 years. Some friends of mine have been examining this and are in the middle of their investigation so if you could not post any pictures of this piece (no.4) until they publish that's if you can even get to see this one. Alan Toelle is currently working on paint chips from this piece and awaiting his analysis report.

Thanks so kindly....

Record 1 of 5
Full Name of Object:
fabric, piece, Fokker triplane
Catalogue Number:
EPH 9001
Associated Person:
Richthofen, Manfred von
Unit, Service or Organization:
German Air Force
Acquisition Number:

Record 2 of 5
Full Name of Object:
fabric, framed piece, Fokker triplane
Catalogue Number:
EPH 9002
Associated Person:
Richthofen, Manfred von
Unit, Service or Organization:
German Air Force
Acquisition Number:

Record 3 of 5
Full Name of Object:
fabric, framed piece, Fokker triplane
Catalogue Number:
EPH 9641
Associated Person:
Richthofen, Manfred von
Unit, Service or Organization:
German Air Force
Acquisition Number:
unknown
Description:
Fragment of fabric from Richthofen's Fokker triplane, it is mounted between two sheets of clear plastic and taped together around all the edges with red adhesive tape.
Notes:
Piece of fabric from the red Fokker triplane in which Manfred von Richthofen was killed on 21 April 1918.

Record 4 of 5
Full Name of Object:
fabric remnant, from German aircraft
Catalogue Number:
EPH 9638
Associated Person:
Richthofen
Acquisition Number:
unknown
Description:
Remnant of aircraft fabric, in poor condition, featuring inscription "2009".
Notes:
Remnant of aircraft fabric from Richthofen's aircraft.

Record 5 of 5
Full Name of Object:
Small piece of Richthofen's aircraft
Catalogue Number:
EPH 3277
Associated Person:
Baron Manfred von Richthofen
Unit, Service or Organization:
DE.F & German Air Force
Acquisition Number:
48/53
Notes:
Piece of wood, surmounted by a smaller piece in the shape of Australia, and the whole is mounted on a piece of card

Lloyd...

[v.Tutschek]

i remember in an report from 1918 that bright red colour was nearly impossible to get at this time in case of the near end of the great war, so that some pilots, also MvR are mixing bright red with black and blue, to get the colour darker.