Identification of candy stripped Albatros

Romani · 19 November 2008, 07:56 AM

Greetings,

This picture comes in Jane's, they seem to be Albatros DIII built by OAW (note rounded rudder but straight edge underfin) perhaps taken in summer or autumn 1917. Wonder about the black and white stripped Albatros.

Does anybody know what Jasta o pilot it is? or is one of those unsolved mysteries?

v.Tutschek · 19 November 2008, 09:49 AM

it is jasta 12, cause the second one you can see is in the personal markings of lt. victor schobinger.

if you mean the 3rd albatros in the line, black and white striped it was flown by

ulrich neckel

Cigogne · 19 November 2008, 11:12 AM

Romani and v.Tutschek,

No, it is not Jasta 12. This photo was from a unit that served on the Southeastern Front (Italian). I believe it is either Jasta 39 or... it isn't Jasta 12. This photo is well known. One of my favorites. I believe the striped OAW Alb. D.III is that of Oblt. Josef Loeser. I've seen it rendered in red/white stripes. It appeared in the Windsock Datafile Special on the Albatros.

Romani · 19 November 2008, 11:44 AM

Cicogne, it's not the Albatros from Jasta 39, I checked the photo you mention and the stripes in that one are vertical, in the above photo are diagonal. Next to the stripped one is one with the markings of Lt August Raben.

I didn't find anything in the Osprey books, I am looking in the Windsock datafiles now

EDIT: Ooops! The Albatros Fighters Special is the book I checked first, it certainly says is Jasta 39, but the pic doesn't match, but that book is old.
The newer book on Albatros DIII has the same photo as above, number 142 on page 52, and a color profile, it says is red and white.

Beautiful!

But it says that is "probably" Jasta 39, but doesn't match the photo on the older book. So it is not Jasta 39 and not Loeser.

StephenLawson · 19 November 2008, 02:54 PM

Jasta 39 in italy.

v.Tutschek · 20 November 2008, 04:19 AM

so please :

anyone can be so kind to tell me what schobingers albatros has to do in italy??

Thomas Trauner · 20 November 2008, 06:11 AM

It is not Schobinger´s Albatros. He had two in Jasta 12 and both show a more elliptical white/lightblue-whatever-colour form on the black fuselage.
That Albatros seem to bear a parallel form of light coloured marking. And a replacement side-rudder, there is only a half iron cross (Eisernes Kreuz) to see.

So - are these crates from Jasta 39 or not ? And who is the pilot ?

Thomas

StephenLawson · 20 November 2008, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cigogne

"Romani and v.Tutschek, . . . I believe the striped OAW Alb. D.III is that of Oblt. Josef Loeser. I've seen it rendered in red/white stripes. It appeared in the Windsock Datafile Special on the Albatros. '

v.Tutschek, I believe Greg and Dan will tell you the same thing. Even a recent 1/32 scale Roden kit has this on its profile sheet as well.

BLOWHARD · 20 November 2008, 05:13 PM

Eh?

Dan_San_Abbott · 20 November 2008, 08:09 PM

Romani:
That is Ltn. August Raben's OAW built Alb.D.III, the Jastaführer of Jasta 39. The photo I was taken at Veldes Air Field in Italy in October 1917. The location and colors are confirmed in Die Albatros (Oeffag) Jagdflugzeuge der k.u.k. Luftahrtruppen, Peter Schiemer, H.weishaupt, Verlag Graz, Austria, 1984, page 214. Ltn. August Raben weas wounded in action on 17 November 1917, and Ltn.Josef Loeser became the Jastaführer, replacing Ltn.Raben.
Blue skies,
Dan-San