French 5 Color chips from Methune Handbook

[flypaper]

Originally Posted by Mode One

Fly paper, Yes, thank you very much for this wonderful database of information! Are you saying these colors (rather range of colors) apply to the Neiuport 28, also?

I wonder whether in the "Fog of War", following some defined regulation on the mixing of pigments to attain a specific color, wasn't given up for peace time! It would make sense to me, that for expedience sake, there were only general guidlines as to how to mix, hence the differences.

Hello Mode One,

The range of colors came from the sampling of actual remnants from WWI Spads, but the same colors were used on the N28 and in fact on other French aircraft. So yes they were used.

The difference in certain shades comes from the fact that, for example, more "green" samples still existed to be studied. I'm sure that some of the difference in shades was as you said caused by the "rush" to get the product to the aircraft builders.

Today most people "agree" that the middle of each color range is the average color used.

Hope I've been of some help

Flypaper

[Mode One]

Yes, thanks and again, thanks for all your hard work!!

[Dan_San_Abbott]

Flypaper:
Could you direct me to Alan's long posting, I am unable to find it.
Seasons Greeting,
Dan-San

[FOKKERJ]

Originally Posted by flypaper

Here are layouts of two of the more popular 5 color French camo schemes. By the way the wing roundels were not matte but had a sheen that equaled that of the rest of the aircraft.

Flypaper

Greetings Flypaper,

As others have already stated, Thanks for sharing your hard work and years of research with us. I also find the "cross hatched" and differently shaded Black and White Spad camouflage diagrams a real pain in the arse!
They do work when you are ready to use them for the painting process, but these color diagrams are invaluable for the research process.
I also believe that there are at least three common Maker's schemes, but can often only find the two, Bleriot and Kellner.


These are a great reference that can only be improved upon with the third Maker's camouflage scheme.

Great work and Happy New Years, FOKKERJ

[Raoul Lubliner]

Originally Posted by Mode One

Fly paper, Yes, thank you very much for this wonderful database of information! Are you saying these colors (rather range of colors) apply to the Neiuport 28, also?

I wonder whether in the "Fog of War", following some defined regulation on the mixing of pigments to attain a specific color, wasn't given up for peace time! It would make sense to me, that for expedience sake, there were only general guidlines as to how to mix, hence the differences.

There is on display at the San Diego Aerospace Museum the original fabric of a 94th Nie 28. I believe the above information is well within the range of "correct"
to "dead on" as far as I can tell. Especially regarding the addition of aluminum to the base colors.

[Graham Hunter]

Thanks for this info Flypaper. 45 years in the making, you are a patient man. Well done.

[flypaper]

Thanks ^ but as i said the real research was done by Mr. Toelle, all I did was buy a cart load of model paints and match whats in the bottle to what Mr.T learned...but I have to say ...it was fun! And now I more than likely have the biggest collection of green model paint on Long Island !

[Sreiko]

For a few months this is on my web site:

S.P.A.D. XIII Eduard 1/48 8196

Cheers

[flypaper]

Originally Posted by Sreiko

For a few months this is on my web site:

S.P.A.D. XIII Eduard 1/48 8196

Cheers

Interesting article but there is one important mistake in it. The paints with the aluminum powder was NOT used on the metal areas....a completely different paint with no powder was used on the metal parts....and that also included the metal panel on the top wing.


Flypaper

[Sreiko]

I know that metal powdered paint was used on the fabric areas only. It might to be that I have make some typing error. Would you be kind to quote part of text where I have make error?