Stropp Albatros DV

SCMc · 2 February 2009, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Gregvan

...The location of the Iron Crosses on the upper wing identify that component as having come from an O.A.W.-built D.Va, while the fuselage and tail are obviously Albatros (Johannisthal) built.

Hi Greg,

Could you explain the differences in the Johannisthal and OAW crosses?

Thanks,

Steve

Dan_San_Abbott · 2 February 2009, 06:44 PM

SCMc:
The upper wing crosses on the albatros built Alb.D.III, D.V and D.Va, are 150mm outboard of the interplane strut center-line. OAW upper wing crosses were centered on the interplane strut center-line. Lower wing crosses were without a white border
The Albatros built lower wing crosses were centered 150mm outboard of the interplane strut center-line. The OAW lower wing crosses were centered 550mm outoard of the interplane strut center-line. Lower wing crosses had a 50mm white border.
The cross locations are a good means of identification. Also true for the Fokker D.VII built by Fokker, Albatros and OAW the locations of all the crosses were different location between the three manufacturers.
Blue skies,
Dan-San

SCMc · 2 February 2009, 08:00 PM

Thank you Dan_San.

Steve

StephenLawson · 2 February 2009, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Gregvan

Hi Stephen,

Quote: "Also the spinner and wheel covers were yellow when captured, not green". What is your source for that info? Just wondering. . .Greg

Cross & Cockade USA Vol. 12 #2 (summer) p. 190.

StephenLawson · 2 February 2009, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by iart7

Here is the "Y" version, if it is correct. I'll let you guys decide:

To see larger sizes, go Here and Here.

Art

Thats the ticket.

zoomzoom · 4 February 2009, 06:24 AM

Maybe its just familiarity, but I like the Smithsonian's version better, with the green wheels and nose, and the lozenge on the wings. I have their book as well and never came across any indication that the wheels and nose were ever yellow. I could be wrong though, but why in thier pursuit of authenticity would they do them this way? By the way, is this a skin for OFF or some other sim?

ZZ.

iart7 · 4 February 2009, 07:18 AM

I agree about the nose and hub caps on "Stropp". They look better green.

I'd like to skin for another game, but my main computer is a Mac and I'd have a hard time using a PC. I have not tried OFF, but again, I'd rather use a game that runs on Mac. My skins are for Warbirds and Dawn of Aces (offshoot of WB). These are popular games built by a company named IEN at this website. The games run on Mac and PC.

What I might do (and it would not take too much time) is do a Smithsonian version, with lozenge wings, green nose and wheels and different crosses on wings. I did that with the museum piece Fokker DVII from the Rhinebeck Aerodrome as well as the Memorial Flight Museum Jasta 4 DVII.

Art

StephenLawson · 4 February 2009, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by zoomzoom

Maybe its just familiarity, but I like the Smithsonian's version better, with the green wheels and nose, and the lozenge on the wings. I have their book as well and never came across any indication that the wheels and nose were ever yellow. I could be wrong though, but why in their pursuit of authenticity would they do them this way? By the way, is this a skin for OFF or some other sim?

ZZ.

ZZ to answer your queries directly please understand that I am not attacking you, but responding to your comments. Certainly you are allowed your opinion.

You mean the version with the wrong crosses? The version with wings from at least two different aircraft other than Stropp? You mean the version that never flew on the Western front? The NASM book was not the final word on the subject. You will notice in the Mikesh book that a new spinner and wheel covers had to be fashioned - why? Because the originals were missing after the bond tour. From the referenced article we know the original spinner was even "badly dented". How did the author know this? He saw it in storage. There have been at least 5 articles written on or discussing Stropp from 1960 - 86 in the old Cross & Cockade USA.

As to the NASM's ". . .pursuit of authenticity. . ." Are you refering to the restoration of "U.10" in the colors designated by an interior decorator in 1965 or the 1/8 inch thick layer of fibreglass that the EAA was allowed to put on their Pfalz D. XII for its restoration?

Yes, I have made these same or similar comments to NASM administrators in the past.

StephenLawson · 4 February 2009, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by iart7

". . .What I might do (and it would not take too much time) is do a Smithsonian version, with lozenge wings, green nose and wheels and different crosses on wings. I did that with the museum piece Fokker DVII from the Rhinebeck Aerodrome as well as the Memorial Flight Museum Jasta 4 DVII. Art"

That would make an interesting display for publishing. The "original" version and the "restored " version side by side. Art for art sake as it were.

zoomzoom · 4 February 2009, 09:21 AM

Well I'm glad they have you then to hound them into a higher level of historical accuracy. I'm not sure if all of your claims are completely verifiable, but if they find some are, I'd hope that with your persistance that they might make some corrections.

I will say, even if its un-authentic, I do like thier color scheme. But a few other items you mentioned interest me. German field units often re-assembled aircraft to fly near the end of the war from left over or spare parts, so the fact they have wings from different craft of the same version on the same plane is really irrelevant. The fact that ALL of these particular parts never really flew together over the front is irrelevant as well, we know that many or even most of them did. And lastly, the difference in cross insignia type, if its the same difference I'm refering to, was historically accurat to the change over in the styles used and some "transitional" craft had both. You may know this already, and are referring to another debated issue, but nonetheless it seems to me to be a pretty decent representation, perhaps not perfect, but pretty good.

On that note, and regarding something else you mentioned, that being the Fokker DVII in the Smith's collection, what is with the wheels they have on that thing that look like they are borrowed from a medieval ox cart? i've seen pictures of the original and they are not the same. An ideas why this is? I've always been curious.

ZZ.