Need help on Dr.1 477/17 for MVR Aircraft Project

Otis Glenn · 10 April 2009, 04:50 PM

Thanks to Dan-San & Alex Revell for Responding, and again to Tim.

It wasn't my intention to stir up trouble. I actually debated whether or not to post this thread for about a week for just that reason. I got an idea of how touchy people would get over this by reading the True Color of 425/17 thread. It's just that my indecesion and curiosity got the better of me.

I also want to especially thank Dan-San for posting on this thread. I also want to apologise to you as well. Again, it wasn't my intention to cause trouble and I didn't want my first posting to get on anyone's bad side, especially you Dan-San.

As far as the project goes, the reason I am hung up on 477/17's markings is because the project will include two 1/48 scale Triplanes, and I didn't want them to look exactly the same, since most people wouldn't understand why the two planes were exact. I worked eight years in museums before my current job, and one thing that I learned is that most people only glance at a display and will not read the descriptions as thuroughly as we would like. Because of this the scheme of 477/17 would determine what other triplane was included. This would be either 102/17 or 152/17. Also, if you are wondering, 425/17 will be in 1/32 scale and will be the centerpiece of the display, not just because it was Richthofen's most famous aircraft, but also because it will be the most colorful and recognisable aircraft of the collection. It will draw people in and maybe, just maybe, they will read all the descriptions, see the B&W photos, and learn a little about who Richthofen actually was and what flying during the First World War was actually like outside of Snoopy vs. The Red Baron.

And Tim, I like your idea of a coffee table book. I'll put in for an advanced copy! Speaking of that, when are you going to put out an art book?

Again, thanks to everyone who has posted so far. Hope I haven't made any enemies.

Glenn

Otis Glenn · 10 April 2009, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by tcrean7828

Mate,
Welcome to the flagship of the Aerodrome - where the greatest minds on the planet get together and talk about their favorite subject - WW1.

P.S.

Werner Voss fan here.

Hello tcrean7828:

Thanks for the welcome. I've been reading The Aerodrome for a number of years now but I only signed up last year sometime. Even with that, this is my first posting.

By the way, I'm a Voss fan as well. My next project will be dual set of Voss's Fok F.I 103/17 and McCudden's S.E.5a. The new Eduard 1/48 Triplanes are AWESOME and include the parts for the prototype Fokkers.

Again, Thanks.

Glenn

tcrean7828 · 10 April 2009, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Otis Glenn

Hello tcrean7828:

Thanks for the welcome. I've been reading The Aerodrome for a number of years now but I only signed up last year sometime. Even with that, this is my first posting.

By the way, I'm a Voss fan as well. My next project will be dual set of Voss's Fok F.I 103/17 and McCudden's S.E.5a. The new Eduard 1/48 Triplanes are AWESOME and include the parts for the prototype Fokkers.

Again, Thanks.

Glenn

Mate,
No worries, I'll put you down for a copy of my new book when the publishers give me a date for its release.

ttfn

tcrean7828

tom

Tim West · 10 April 2009, 05:53 PM

Heh, It's a feisty bunch here. I dont think you've made any enemies....prolly it's just like you see a guy and his first post lays out a lot of assumptions(true or not) from past debates..MvRs planes no less... So hopefully you understand. Lol, just wait till you ask about the FI machines

I wish I could be of more assistance but I pretty much only have access to the same materials you do. Most likely your gonna have to look at what has been laid out in other threads and decide for yourself. Imries opinions seem to hold up more so than others.

Speaking of which..the line up photo you posted..from Leamans book is actually a copy of a post card. The same image is in Imries book and he doesnt claim it to be 477/17 either. So again, I dont think the plane could be identified either way.

Stick around and enjoy the wealth of information to be had, contribute when you can and it'll come back to you. Just dont take it to seriously, we all get passionate at times

heh, I dont know about a "art" book but I am working on a triplane profile book. I sill have a lot of profiles to do and have no idea when it'll be ready. It's been pretty for fun up to this point. Thanks for asking

Tim West · 10 April 2009, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by tcrean7828

Mate,
No worries, I'll put you down for a copy of my new book when the publishers give me a date for its release.

ttfn

tcrean7828

tom

Stop it you tease!

When? When? When? Me Want!

Otis Glenn · 11 April 2009, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Tim West

Speaking of which..the line up photo you posted..from Leamans book is actually a copy of a post card. The same image is in Imries book and he doesn’t claim it to be 477/17 either. So again, I dont think the plane could be identified either way.

Actually, I didn't know that. It has been a few years since I have read Imrie's book. I can get it through Interlibrary Loan easily enough. I would love to own a copy, but I haven't found it in a price range that won't get me killed by my wife.

But thanks for the info in any case. I'll take a closer look at the photos again.

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Originally Posted by Tim West

heh, I dont know about a "art" book but I am working on a triplane profile book. I sill have a lot of profiles to do and have no idea when it'll be ready. It's been pretty for fun up to this point. Thanks for asking.

Now that sounds COOL! I'm glad you are still enjoying that project. So many people start a project and wind up getting bogged down with the details and it no longer holds any enjoyment. It just becomes work. I've been there before. I'm still psyched about the project I'm doing right now though.

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Originally Posted by Tim West

Lol, just wait till you ask about the FI machines.

Hmm... McCudden described a "silver grey triplane" and even Voss called it "his Silver Triplane" when most assume it was streaked green over turquoise....

Thanks fo the help and support!

Glenn

Tim West · 11 April 2009, 09:53 AM

Imries book is pretty spendy now days. I got my from a seller in England for $30...no BS. It's in new condition and has the outer sleeve. A great deal! I really think the guy didnt know what he was selling and I sure as H" wasnt gonna tell him

Yeh, it's hard to not to get bogged down with such a project like a profile collection. I do a few and then it's sits for a while, then I do some more. Now I tend to use the work to break up other projects....Lol I mean sometimes I'm so sick of seeing the DR.I on my desktop but eventually I always seem to come back.

About Voss...I'm pretty sure the streaking over sky blue myth has been put to rest

I have a thread about my take on FI 103/17 somewhere around here....

Well, good luck with your models Glenn. Post some pics when they are done.

Otis Glenn · 11 April 2009, 09:55 AM

Hey Guys:

I found this while doing research on the internet for this project:

Just so we don't take things too seriously.

Glenn

Otis Glenn · 11 April 2009, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Tim West

About Voss...I'm pretty sure the streaking over sky blue myth has been put to rest

I have a thread about my take on FI 103/17 somewhere around here....

I was kidding but it looks like I was out of the loop after all! It has been a good while since I have done any research on Voss and the last thing I knew about was the green over blue theory. I have only recently gotten back into the Fokker Triplanes in the past year and I haven't herd any of this yet. Could you please send me the title of your thread or a link to it. I tried doing a search but I wound up with pages and pages on Voss! Thanks.

Glenn

Tim West · 11 April 2009, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Otis Glenn

I was kidding but it looks like I was out of the loop after all! It has been a good while since I have done any research on Voss and the last thing I knew about was the green over blue theory. I have only recently gotten back into the Fokker Triplanes in the past year and I haven't herd any of this yet. Could you please send me the title of your thread or a link to it. I tried doing a search but I wound up with pages and pages on Voss! Thanks.

Glenn

heh, I think all that's left debate is what color the cowling/wheels covers of the FI machines...there's a current thread on that subject around here too.

Anyhow here is my thread: FI 103/17: A Color Study

Again, it's merely my take on the finish of FI. 103/17. I can not prove anything but on the same token...no one can prove it wrong

Until something new shows up...that is my "opinion" and I'm sticking to it

enjoy.