Fritz Friedrich 258/18

[MikkoH]

Hi all.

I'm planning to build my first Fokker D.VII(eduard of course) and was planning to make Jasta 10 Friedrich's 258/18(always loved how it looked like on eduard boxart.). I have lifelike decals sheet 48-029. So couple of questions:

- Yellow cowling, interplane struts, landing gear struts and wheels?

- Green or blue fuselage band? I'm planning to make blue.

- light blue or greengrey N-struts?

- 5 color lozenge but what is color of tapes?

- Crest is big question. Lifelike is offering doublehead eagle with pot and crown on other side. on pics you really can't see but in my eyes there could be those.

- On Windsock anthology 1 page 46 is three pics of this plane. J10-2 shows wings uppersurfaces and 'm pretty confused now. Seems like upper wings crosses white border have been narrowed with some paint(what?) But what confuses me is that you can see lozenge clearly on ailerions but on wings that is very pale, like overpainted!? On lower wings you clearly see lozenge pattern on the other hand. Also there seems to be some sort of border on rudder like we have seen on Jasta 2 Dr.I's .What the....

I'm really happy if someone could help me here and sorry if this question is on wrong section. I thought this is mere camo and marking Q than modelling Q.

Sincirely Mikko Heikkinen

[Dan_San_Abbott]

Hello Mikko:
When Fok.D.VII 258/18 was delivered it had Iron Crosses. These were modified in the field to the 17 March 1918 dircetive to the alken kreuse.
This was most likely accomplished at Armee Flugpark 7 prior to delivery.
Blue skies Mikko,
Dan-San

[MikkoH]

Thank you Dan San for your intrest. Then painted with wider white border and later date that would be narrowed with overpainting?

Still waiting if somebody could fill at least some answers.

Sincirely Mikko H

[Dan_San_Abbott]

Hello Mikko:
Fritz Freidrichs Fok.D.VII 258/18 was covered with four printed fabric, dark pattern on top and the light pattern on the bottom with matching rib tapes.
Blue skies,
Dan-San

[Malaula]

Originally Posted by MikkoH

Hi all.

I'm planning to build my first Fokker D.VII(eduard of course) and was planning to make Jasta 10 Friedrich's 258/18(always loved how it looked like on eduard boxart.). I have lifelike decals sheet 48-029. So couple of questions:

- Yellow cowling, interplane struts, landing gear struts and wheels?

- Green or blue fuselage band? I'm planning to make blue.

- light blue or greengrey N-struts?

- 5 color lozenge but what is color of tapes?

- Crest is big question. Lifelike is offering doublehead eagle with pot and crown on other side. on pics you really can't see but in my eyes there could be those.

- On Windsock anthology 1 page 46 is three pics of this plane. J10-2 shows wings uppersurfaces and 'm pretty confused now. Seems like upper wings crosses white border have been narrowed with some paint(what?) But what confuses me is that you can see lozenge clearly on ailerions but on wings that is very pale, like overpainted!? On lower wings you clearly see lozenge pattern on the other hand. Also there seems to be some sort of border on rudder like we have seen on Jasta 2 Dr.I's .What the....

I'm really happy if someone could help me here and sorry if this question is on wrong section. I thought this is mere camo and marking Q than modelling Q.

Sincirely Mikko Heikkinen

Hello Mikko. An excellent color rendition of Friedrich's Jasta 10 Fokker DVII can be found on page 21 of Windsock International, Vol.22, No.2, March/April 2006. It shows yellow cowling, interplane struts, and landing gear struts. Wheels are standard Fokker finish (Olive green on outer rim fading to light olive green at wheel centers). Blue fuselage band with the Wappenschild of North Friesen ahead of fuselage band. North Friesen Wappenschild is black eagle on right shield side with a white background. The topmost leftside of Wappenschild has a Danish crown in gold on blue background and underneath this is a black cooking pot on a red background. The N-struts are light gray. The werke nummer of Friedrich's aircraft is believed to be 309/18, the same one he was flying on July 15, 1918 when his ammunition ignited and forced him to jump out of the burning plane. Unfortunately, his parachute lines got entangled on the tail and he died in the crash. Hope this helps you. Best regards, Dave.

[MikkoH]

Thank you Dan San and Dave for your help. So did Friedrichs have actually two early Fokker made D.VII's similary marked, 258/18 and 309/18?

This is pic that puzzles me. I scanned it from Fokker D.VII anthology 1 and for discussion purposes only.



So is this 309? Very light colour upper wing where at least I can't see traces of lozenge. Only on ailerons, and there we can see it very clearly. Darker borders on upperwing crosses. Still we clearly can see lozenge on lower wing and fokker streaking on fuselage. Dark border around rudder.

Also Dan San now says 4 color lozenge on anthology 1 they say early fokker build(including 309 on color profile) D.VII's had 5 color lozenge. Am I drowning now on lozenge swamp?

Cheers Mikko

[Raineranton]

Originally Posted by Malaula

North Friesen Wappenschild is black eagle on right shield side with a white background. The topmost leftside of Wappenschild has a Danish crown in gold on blue background and underneath this is a black cooking pot on a red background.

Enclosed is the picture of one of Friedrichs Fokkers in Squadron/Signals publication No. 166 - Fokker D.VII in action with his crest and a picture of the crest of North Friesland which exist since 1844.
The crown is slightly seen, but where´s the pot? - It looks more like the body of the eagle is also on the left side of the crest....!?

Rainer

[MikkoH]

Hi Rainer.

To my eyes there is a pot below of crown. No eagle body. Very dark(black?) pot with lighter buckets rod coming from it.

Mikko

[Raineranton]

Hello Mikko,

do you mean this?

[MikkoH]

Yes, I mean that.