Du Doch Nicht, conclusive proof

baldeagle · 6 October 2009, 06:03 PM

OK, sorry, it isn't proof of any kind, but I couldn't resist the opportunity at Dayton to try this shot:

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...and it isn't a book under my arm...

Also didn't have the right boots, but I think the guy in the orange shirt is just out of the original photo----

Incidentally the uniform top I'm wearing was probably used in "Hell's Angels", Jim Parks bought it from the costume company in Hollywood that supplied the uniforms for that film. And the pilot's badge, Iron Cross, and Blue Max are the actual ones worn by

Josef Jacobs in 1918, they're now part of the Lafayette Foundation collection. I didn't wear the Blue Max while flying, as Andy said that if it came off we'd have to spend weeks on our hands and knees looking for it.

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jumpinjan · 6 October 2009, 06:25 PM

That's great!

Jan

'14-'18aviationcollector · 6 October 2009, 06:26 PM

Hi, great photo!

It sure would be nice to be able to see every WW1 aeroplane in colour. It's such a shame that although colour photography existed, relatively few aeroplanes were photographed in colour. First World War colours certainly are very difficult to prove or disprove.

Cheers,

David.

josef scott · 6 October 2009, 08:14 PM

That's brilliant!

How long did you spend setting up the camera angle? Although not dead-on, it's too close to be accidental.

Tim West · 7 October 2009, 03:20 AM

That's too funny! Udet would be amused I'm sure

Gregvan · 7 October 2009, 04:48 AM

Hi Andy,

That's really great!! However, you needed to shift around to your right just a tiny bit and face the camera directly - plus I'm sure you're taller than Udet was. Ever-so-slightly different camera angle - we can just see the engine over your right shoulder, whereas we can't in the Udet pic. But it's lovely - thanks for going to the trouble!!

Don't forget that Udet's caption for this photo was : "Hochmut kommt vor dem Fall - das Flugzeug, aus dem ich einen Tag später den Absprung mit dem Fallschirm machen musste". In other words, pride goeth before the fall - this is the machine that he was forced to bail out of (and was nearly killed doing so) only one day later! I'm glad you're safe and sound.

Greg

ludwig113 · 7 October 2009, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by '14-'18aviationcollector

Hi, great photo!

It sure would be nice to be able to see every WW1 aeroplane in colour. It's such a shame that although colour photography existed, relatively few aeroplanes were photographed in colour. First World War colours certainly are very difficult to prove or disprove.

Cheers,

David.

yeah but that would kill most of the questions on this forum!

if they had been photographed in colour.

Tim West · 7 October 2009, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ludwig113

yeah but that would kill most of the questions on this forum!

if they had been photographed in colour.

haha....... It'd kill the better threads for sure. Imagine if we all just got along....

boring!

baldeagle · 7 October 2009, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Gregvan

Don't forget that Udet's caption for this photo was : "Hochmut kommt vor dem Fall - das Flugzeug, aus dem ich einen Tag später den Absprung mit dem Fallschirm machen musste". In other words, pride goeth before the fall - this is the machine that he was forced to bail out of (and was nearly killed doing so) only one day later! I'm glad you're safe and sound.

Greg

Maybe it's good I didn't know that. Didn't get to fly the D.VII this trip, and it had mechanicals on the way home and ended up completing the journey on a truck. I would've liked to compare it to the Blue Max D.VII I flew when Javier had it before it went to NZ.

For the pose I didn't think ahead to bringing a copy of the 1918 photo, so had to go from memory, glad it turned out as close as it did. How tall was Udet (I'm about 6' 2 1/2")?

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tcrean7828 · 7 October 2009, 01:21 PM

Mate,
Going from memory - now that is pretty cool!.

UGH by the way you didn't happen to seen the tape measure, protractor, copy of Udet picture, the tape and string lines that were used in the measurement and the geometeric composit lines of "X" marks the spot were the standin was standing to make this all real - did ya!

ttfn

tcrean7828

tom

P.S. just wish that I could have thought of it first - upps dont have the a/c.