Buttlar Heraldry

[Hans]

Gentlemen, I have found the Coat of Arms of the Buttlar family by pure chance. It can be found at Wikipedia.



Please note the hunting horn at the crest. Now it became more clear why H.B. von Buttlar choose such a horn for his personal marking.

I made a fast and rough drawing:



It shows the a/c after March' 18, as it could be seen on the blown-up picture of the Rahn Collection of the USAF Museum.
I opted for a silbergrau underside, pale blue may be possible. DSA states the wheels had been white, but I opted for silbergrau also.

H

[Gregvan]

Hi Hans,

Wow, thanks for that! I've been meaning to do more exploring on German Wikipedia.

You may be right about the red band behind the hunting horn emblem, as red figures so prominently in the heraldry. Or, it might have been a very dark blue or black to better cover up the previous white and blue stripes.


Here's von Buttlar posing with his machine.

[Hans]

to better cover up

Good reason, as red paint is tending to be more translucent than other paints. But maybe a white priming will suffice?

H

[Dan_San_Abbott]

Hi Hans:
Thank you for posting the Buttlar Wappenschild, it sure nail down his markings on his Pfalz D.IIIa. I search family histories and look for the wappenschild cause this will define the color with a certainty.
Blue skies Hans,
Dan-San

[Hans]

Dan-San, what do you think about the fuselage underside and the wing root? It looks to be light coloured, pale blue or silvergrey. I am wondering, as I could not see that on Hitschler's version.

H.

[crankcase]

Nice work, Hans!
And all the time I was thinking that the horn represented the idea of setting up an air mail (Luftpost) service!
marc

[Dan_San_Abbott]

Hello Hans:
I have illustrated Ltn. Buttlar's Pfalz D.IIIa with aluminum undersurfaces on the wings, fuselage and tailplane with white wheel covers. As seen in most photographs, I have the red band translucent with the blue stripes showing through.
Blue skies Hans,
Dan-San

[Hans]

Fully d'accord, Dan-San. But I am really still wondering about the wing root. On Buttlar's paint scheme it looks quite bright and light. Maybe it was repainted...? Hitschler's scheme did not had this feature. I don't think it's just light reflection...or?

H.

[FOKKERJ]

Originally Posted by Hans

Fully d'accord, Dan-San. But I am really still wondering about the wing root. On Buttlar's paint scheme it looks quite bright and light. Maybe it was repainted...? Hitschler's scheme did not had this feature. I don't think it's just light reflection...or?

H.

Hello Hans,

I do think that the wing root highlight is just light reflection.... Just my opinion.

Best Wishes, Jay

[ivstefano]

I do find coats of arms as interesting as aircraft profiles - here is what I did with von Freden's coat of arms - no other source but the text in Windsock Datafile...

Still there are many doubts about my reconstruction while yours seams to be close as you can get to it!

Cheers