Kirschstein's D.VII

[Cliff]

Is this a new pic of one of Kirschstein's D.VIIs ??

http://www.flickr.com/photos/landoni...7606564369342/

Noticed it on the link from another thread.

[TeamStewart]

Ask Mr. Jim Landon.

I think he is a member here. See if you can find him.

[Raineranton]

Originally Posted by Cliff

Is this a new pic of one of Kirschstein's D.VIIs ??

I think it is the same machine as shown in Richthofen´s Circus - Jagdgeschwader Nr. 1 by Greg VanWyngarden. There´s also a profile in it, which fits it very well.

Look also this old thread:

Hans Kirschstein Fokker D.VII

Regards

Rainer

[RAGIII]

Originally Posted by Raineranton

I think it is the same machine as shown in Richthofen´s Circus - Jagdgeschwader Nr. 1 by Greg VanWyngarden. There´s also a profile in it, which fits it very well.

Look also this old thread:

Hans Kirschstein Fokker D.VII

Regards

Rainer

IIRC, a second photo was introduced in this older thread. It was generally agreed it was not the same aircraft as the one depicted in the MvR flyng circus book as the wider stripes on the left wings were not evident. I do not remember the second picture being this clear, nor it being taken from the right side. Memory isn't great so I could be mistaken
RAGIII
PS, there was also debate about BMW engine.

[Rod_Filan]

Originally Posted by Raineranton

Look also this old thread:

Hans Kirschstein Fokker D.VII

bad link on the first photo in that thread. here's the correct url

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Cheers

[Dan_San_Abbott]

Gentlemen:
These three photos were taken at different times.
The 3/4 right front view has Heine Propeller and standard front plate used with the Mercedes D.IIIaü engine. However, it could be the BMWIIIa engine also. There is no air pump visible, also it could have the Mercedes dual opposed air pump.
The third photo from Rod Filan, is very poor, but it appears to have the Heine Propeller with a standard flat plate. I sure would like to see a good photo of Rod Filan's left 3/4 front view. This might rise additional questions.
The large manufacturers plate is visible in the 3/4 right front view, this is a Fokker built D.VII. Also there is what appears to be a small retangular intake under the nose, on the front white stripe.
The front view has an Axial Propeller with the Rupp propeller hub that was used with the BMWIIIa engine. Also the right upper cowl has been changed, which indicates the exhaust manifold has been changed. I suspect the exhaust is exiting above the side cowl and forward of the front cabane strut.
A very interesting set of photos.
Merry Christmas Gentlemen,
Dan-San

[ludwig113]

Originally Posted by RAGIII

IIRC, a second photo was introduced in this older thread. It was generally agreed it was not the same aircraft as the one depicted in the MvR flyng circus book as the wider stripes on the left wings were not evident. I do not remember the second picture being this clear, nor it being taken from the right side. Memory isn't great so I could be mistaken
RAGIII
PS, there was also debate about BMW engine.

if you look at this picture it does have the wider stripe on the left wing just above the engine.

paul

[RAGIII]

Sorry, I do not believe I was clear in my original post. The picture I refer to as the first is the one printed in GvWs Osprey Flying Circus book. The picture I refer to as second was posted in the older thread in addition to number one. That is the one that did not seem to show the wider stripes. The Third and very clar picture that initiated ths thread certainly does have the wider stripes. I hope this clears things up as to the possibility of 2 different aircraft painted in a similar manner.
RAGIII

[Dan_San_Abbott]

Hi RAGIII:
One Fok.D.VII has Heine Propeller and I believe a Mercedes D.IIIaü engine
The other in the front view has different upper right top cowling, an Axial propeller with the Rupp hub and a BMWIIIa engine. He was the Jasta 6Führer, it was common practice for the Führer to have two machines. I am curious what happened to them, after he was injured in an accident and died of his injuries.
Merry Christmas RAGIII,
Dan-San

[RAGIII]

Originally Posted by Dan_San_Abbott

Hi RAGIII:
One Fok.D.VII has Heine Propeller and I believe a Mercedes D.IIIaü engine
The other in the front view has different upper right top cowling, an Axial propeller with the Rupp hub and a BMWIIIa engine. He was the Jasta 6Führer, it was common practice for the Führer to have two machines. I am curious what happened to them, after he was injured in an accident and died of his injuries.
Merry Christmas RAGIII,
Dan-San

Thanks for the confirmation and clarification on the differences! Glad to see my memmory isn't as bad as I feared
Merry Christmas to you also Dan!

PS. Sometimes I am really thick! What I have called picture number 2 is available on the same link which started this thread. Clearly shows the differences DSA and myself have mentioned regarding the stripes,prop and hub, exhaust, etc.