Sopwith Decals

bristol scout · 19 March 2010, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by snj5

From this thread, unknown Sopwith Camel with an "M" , you describe this as the Ruston Proctor trademark, which to me looks more shield shaped.

Well, guess it's time to start digging through the books!

Hi snj5, "looks like" I actually said--but you are essentially correct-it DOES look like a Ruston decal on 'M'..

That is the "slightly oval" RP decal I tried

to describe....

A much clearer shot of the decal is in the windsock 'Sopwith Camel Squadrons' (page 7) it is deffo. "oval" and a dark colour (green?) with lighter biplane wings and 'imp' (gold?)....Just a guess this colour scheme--NOTHING MORE--but no guess about the "oval" shape..

Cheers,
Dave.

bristol scout · 19 March 2010, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by RAF56_Ball

Dave,
I take it the "LINCOLN IMP" was from the emblem of the township of Lincolnshire on the Lincoln Cathedral, the town where Ruston, Proctor and Company was located? (All from a google search, not personal knowlege, sad to say).

BTW, would there have been a side shield on the Pup, or just the Camel?

Yes Glenn--it's the famous imp---but I have no photo to help with the exact trademark use of him--except to repeat it's a dark oval (very slight) See my last post for a 'stab' at poss. colours---but this is only really nothing more than a guess

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Side shields (plywood) not on 'PUP' 9Quilted effect from fabric and stringers) I suppose the Ali. nose panels were also 'side shields' in that respect---but (as you know) no decals on those parts..

'Standard' used a round decal with the union flag (but placed on the 'flat sides' of struts--not wrapped around L.E. of struts) and possibly the words 'Standard' above--and 'Coventry' below----within the circle of course. (this gleaned from a super photo. in C&C and 'blended' with what I know of the car logo 'Standard' used...

Cheers,

Dave.

van der Laan · 19 March 2010, 04:19 AM

scan the photo, crop it down and post that piece if you can

snj5 · 19 March 2010, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by bristol scout

A much clearer shot of the decal is in the windsock 'Sopwith Camel Squadrons' (page 7) it is deffo. Cheers,
Dave.

Where on page 7? Mine has 3 photos of Naval 3 that I cannot find the decal.

Will go throgh Boyer tonite.

bristol scout · 19 March 2010, 07:02 AM

Page 7 is 43 squadron----bottom left photo. 43/9 ---I quote--

"43/9 'W' serial unknown, of Lt. G. A. Lingham (Australian) with the Ruston Proctor transfer on thje plywood under the cockpit"

'Sopwith Camel Squadrons by L.A. Rogers' Datafile Special.

Hope you can see it---otherwise something very odd....

Dave. EDIT Just realised your mistake when checking ordinary datafile Sopwith Camel---no. 26---but that's not 'Camel Squadrons'---page 7 in Camel Datafile IS 3 Naval----but that's not the book I was describing.

Dave.

snj5 · 19 March 2010, 07:34 AM

got it!
thanks!
That's the photo I was referring to in post #20

snj5 · 20 March 2010, 05:03 PM

Found the Ruston Aircraft decal in "The Camel Files"; Also documemted as being in the center of each of the wooden side panels.

Anyone familiar with the colors? Need to generate two decals.

snj5 · 21 March 2010, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snj5

Found the Ruston Aircraft decal in "The Camel Files"; Also documemted as being in the center of each of the wooden side panels.

Anyone familiar with the colors? Need to generate two decals.

Here is a color version, although of the post Sept 1918 Ruston Hornsby firm.
I think I need one of these that just says 'RUSTON'

Thanks all,

bristol scout · 21 March 2010, 02:04 PM

VERY nice snj5--Ruston Proctor I would imagine though, as in post 12-- but Definately OVAL-and it does not look like the writing (if any) is in that drop down part---it does'nt look like it was there on Camel picture already mentioned) more round shape beneath wings---perhaps like the other picture posted by you in post 12.

Yes, on centre of side shields (Sopwith fashion) and centre of struts (but NOT Sopwith fashion) flat faces.

Cheers,
Dave. EDIT-- I suppose what I mean is an amalgamation of your latest design ---but with the circular bit of post 12 beneath the wings and imp.

snj5 · 21 March 2010, 03:12 PM

Interestingly, according to the authoritative 'Camel File', they show the Camel transfer as looking like yesterday's post - in fact, that photo was scanned from the book from the 'Camel Decal'.

Adding a rough Microsoft paint modification of today's post, we get this attachment below. I am wondering if the oval appearance is an optical illusion of a circle or a mis-application.

I'm still chasing this down - appreciate the continuing quality discussion.