Albatros D.III - 1996/16

Dario_Silva · 11 March 2010, 04:09 PM

Friends

I know that this aircraft has already been studied in this forum.
But my question is:
Why so much variation in the interpretation of the paint scheme?
What would be the real colors and scheme of paint of this aircraft?
Thanks for any comments.
I will be grateful for any photo, or comment reference.
Greetings!
Dario
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RAGIII · 13 March 2010, 10:45 AM

Dario,
We know from written description that the fuselage was painted Blue and yellow. So eliminate the red scheme. We know from the pictures available that it was quartered and there was no stripe, so eliminate the flying painting.
If one is certain that the darker color is Blue then the model painted in the Blue on the upper left, yellow on the upper right is correct. Something I have never considered before is that with the film type prevalant at the time, if the yellow were a chrome yellow, and the blue very light, you could end up with the darker color being the "Yellow"

Perhaps Hal and MT could use their Rossetta stone on the photos?
Personally, I think the model has it right, Stephen Lawson I believe?
RAGIII

Dan_San_Abbott · 13 March 2010, 11:59 AM

Hello Dario:
I don't believe Alb.D.III 1996/16 is blue and yellow. The bottom color indicates white, if the top color is blue it would need be prussian or navy blue.
I would like to see the source data on that blue and yellow.
Blue skies Dario,
Dan-San

Cigogne · 13 March 2010, 04:46 PM

The top photograph of the series of Alb. D.III posted... isn't this a totally different machine that is being flown in the photos as a Fotoeinsitzer...by Ltn. Rudolf Hohberg of FA(A) 263 who flew this machine? It is included with another view plus text in Neal O'Connor's Vol. VI on Aviation Awards of Imperial Germany.

RAGIII · 13 March 2010, 05:09 PM

Dan, In this old thread you identify the aircraft in the background of the photo taken from the hanger as Lubberts'. If that is correct then Blue and Yellow is correct by Lubberts own description.
Jasta 11 Albatros' revisited.

In all fairness, in another old thread you said you did a study and came up with red and white. As a matter of fact it was in a thread started by Dario asking this same question.

RAGIII

RAGIII · 13 March 2010, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cigogne

The top photograph of the series of Alb. D.III posted... isn't this a totally different machine that is being flown in the photos as a Fotoeinsitzer...by Ltn. Rudolf Hohberg of FA(A) 263 who flew this machine? It is included with another view plus text in Neal O'Connor's Vol. VI on Aviation Awards of Imperial Germany.

You could be correct reference the top photo. On the other hand their are photos of the left and right side of what is believed to be Lubberts aircraft, which is the one Dario is asking about.
RAGIII

StephenLawson · 13 March 2010, 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cigogne

The top photograph of the series of Alb. D.III posted... isn't this a totally different machine that is being flown in the photos as a Fotoeinsitzer...by Ltn. Rudolf Hohberg of FA(A) 263 who flew this machine? It is included with another view plus text in Neal O'Connor's Vol. VI on Aviation Awards of Imperial Germany.

If memory serves, Neal Quoted the serial of the photo equipped machine as being D.1996/16.

Dan_San_Abbott · 14 March 2010, 02:11 PM

Hi RAGIII:
I must of been wrong, I was under the impression it belonged to Hohberg?? On some days I am a little wierd!
Blue skies RAGIII,
Dan-San

Cigogne · 17 March 2010, 05:58 PM

The two photos of it in Neal's book w/ Hohberg "am steuer" show the tail marking to be D.1996/16. Do any photos clearly show the Jasta 11 D.III tail number? Or is this an assumption based on the two similar paint schemes, but without Militär Nummer confirmation? If so, I don't think they are the same aircraft. Or is there data to say that D.1996/16 was on the Jasta 11 roster?

RAGIII · 17 March 2010, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cigogne

The two photos of it in Neal's book w/ Hohberg "am steuer" show the tail marking to be D.1996/16. Do any photos show the Jasta 11 D.III serial number? I don't think they are the same aircraft.

I agree 100% I think the Aircraft in the background of the hanger, and the one in the background of MvR taking off in his DIII are of Lubberts' DIII. The photo you mentioned in your first post is a different aircraft.

JMHO,
RAGIII