Proctor E-III, 2nd try

john cole · 21 November 2009, 04:02 PM

Hello group, this is my first post here. I'm glad I found this site, so much information available.

I am currently building a Proctor Eindecker which will replace my first one which was lost in a crash. A friend built most of the first one, but I learned quite a bit about the kit and a/c while finishing it out. Attached is a picture of it along side my Hansa Brandenberg C-1, also in quarter scale.

I plan to finish the new one the same as the old one; Austro-Hungarian Army A-III 03.43. I know the color choice for this particular a/c conflicts with published sources, but I'm not convinced it was painted grey.

John

Bookmaker · 21 November 2009, 06:01 PM

John, I don't know if you are aware, but if you want to post larger photos here you can link them to to photos in sites like Photobucket.

Nice H-B

Dale

Breguet · 22 November 2009, 03:33 AM

Very nice indeed John. Here's my 1/5th scale model of EIII 210/16:

Rittmeister · 23 November 2009, 04:12 AM

Great job on the Hansa B John... When you figure out the linked photo option I'd love to see some large format photos of that too.

The PIPE · 23 November 2009, 04:27 AM

Dear John Cole:

The PIPE Here...I've been working here at home with my home PC this autumn, where I've actually been UNemployed from any "day job" for fourteen months now, on a Fokker E III static model CAD drafting project for someone here in the USA...

...and from the VERY detailed CAD drawings I've been doing for that project, partially based on photos from the London-displayed "sole surviving" E III example, it SEEMS that the Proctor firm could have made a bit of an ERROR in the wingtips of the E III, in making the wing in their Giant Scale kit a bit TOO SHORT in the wing panel "span", in comparison to the sole surviving aircraft.

Also, since I'm also working on a set of very accurate CAD drawings for the "E.5/15" Fokker M.5K/MG aircraft of Leutnant

Kurt Wintgens from the summer of 1915, to eventually do IT up as an RC Giant Scale model, I've found that the wing chord figure of 1.88 meters, used on the original M.5 monoplane, seems to have been used on ALL the early Eindeckers, from the M.5 forwards up through the E.II version, with the E.III adopting a slightly smaller 1.80 or 1.81 meter chord-dimension wing panel design.

My own copies of Datafiles No.15 and 91 are being used for both sets of CAD drawings, as well as referencing the London Eindecker photo CD I acquired earlier this year...I've also got the full set of the Proctor construction drawings for the E.III kit, and it's from the close examination of THOSE drawings from Proctor that I found out about their kit's E III wing panels being a bit too short in the wingtip area.

The "tip rib" that Proctor uses doen't seem to match up quite well with what that London Eindecker has, and the work for the E III static model on my DesignCAD 3000 screen now includes that hard-to-draft up "tip rib", and I'd be more than willing to share the graphic info with you.

Please "prviate message" me here at TheAerodrome.com if you're at all interested in getting some help with this likely error...the CAD work is basically "just about done" on the wing panels for the E.III static model project, and I KNOW it could easily help anyone who's got the Proctor Eindecker kit on their building board, to get the wings a bit more accurate in planform for scale accuracy's sake.

Hope to hear from you soon, if you're interested...

Yours Sincerely,

The PIPE!

josef scott · 23 November 2009, 05:47 AM

Pipe,

I'm curious where the 1.88m chord for the M5 comes from.

john cole · 23 November 2009, 10:17 AM

Thank you all for the kind responses. I'm always interested to learn more about WW1 aircraft, and have taken a particular interest in Austro-Hungarian Army machines.

I have to admit that I have below-average computer skills, so working out a link to larger pictures might take me a while. The A-III (E-III) project is already underway, so I will spend the next week or so and bring you up to date. I've made some changes to the structure, as most modelers do, to enhance the model, and make it match my selected three-view better.

Breguet, 210/16 is such a neat a/c to model, so much history. I especially like your finish.

John

Breguet · 23 November 2009, 03:02 PM

Thanks John! Pipe, how is this tip planform? Is it far out or can't you tell from this photo?

josef scott · 23 November 2009, 03:08 PM

BTW, under NO circumstances should the drawings from Datafile 91 be used for any plans. They are completely incorrect.

Lyle · 23 November 2009, 04:02 PM

John, welcome to the Aerodrome! Beautiful work on the Hansa.
And I think we're all looking forward to seeing an AH A.III rather than
the usual Prussian version!

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BTW, under NO circumstances should the drawings from Datafile 91 be used for any plans. They are completely incorrect.

Are they really that far off? I don't have that particular DF, but who did the drawings?