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3 July 2002, 05:45 PM
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In the WWII flight sim, IL2 Sturmovik, the German gunsights in the 109 and 190 are to the right, or more importantly not centered. Since this is a well researched game, I can only assume they did their homework. Were the 109 and 190 gunsights skew if?
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3 July 2002, 11:36 PM
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Two-seater Pilot
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The aircraft did have offset gunsights but by default in the game you don't look down them. It's set that way because not all the planes had offset gunsights and apparently it was impossible to program a different default for each one(?!)
Anyway all is not lost: shift+F1 will centre your viewpoint. Do it once and you can forget it from then on.
IL2's a great sim, probably the best military one there is at the moment. It's not quite as perfect as some people might claim but it's well worth persevering with - especially if you get a chance to play it multiplayer.
Have fun
Finn
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4 July 2002, 02:05 AM
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Finn,
>IL2's a great sim, probably the best military
>one there is at the moment.
Yes I agree. The skew if gunsight makes it difficult to aim. I dont mind though. I dont mind it being difficult and quirky, I think there is better immersion that way.
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4 July 2002, 03:58 AM
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Two-seater Pilot
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Shift-F1 will get rid of the skewed view. Not sure if my original post made that clear :-[
I think it's the challenge that I like in IL2 most too. I really like playing 'by the rules' in single player - ie keeping in formation and so on. It's the only flight sim that I've played so far where doing this is any fun at all, and where I can't notch up a score that would make Hartmann weep!
Shame there'll never be a WW1 version, but can't have everything I suppose. I suspect that BoP and CFS3 add-ons will be first ones to really bring out what's possible with WW1 in a modern sim engine.
Have fun
Finn
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4 July 2002, 07:22 AM
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Finn,
>and where I can't notch up a score that would
>make Hartmann weep!
Yes, Mig alley was similar for me, I got the chop there alot. I am playing the Russian Fighter campaign, and I got stuck with the Mig-3 for a few missions, which only had a couple of machine guns. I made bits come off a lot of planes but no significant damage. I dont know much about the Russian WWII front so it is a fun game for me. I wish though they let you quit a mission whenever you wanted without being penalised to do it again. That and a squadron based campaign and I would be very happy. It has also taken over from Mig Alley as the one I fly just for fun.
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4 July 2002, 01:07 PM
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Two-seater Pilot
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I remember my first online IL2 kill, it was a foggy day in deep winter (snow everywhere and the sun was low in the sky, so lots of glare too). Somehow I managed to get behind a plane and keep behind it long enough to really empty my guns into it, then it yanked up in front of me and disintegrated. I had to pull away sharply to avoid a collision and stalled and spinned! Luckily I managed to recover and saw another plane right in front of me. Flushed with success, I dove straight at it and...booom! I'd crashed into my shadow! So much for situational awareness!!!
There's an amazing variety in what's possible mission-wise (high altitude bomber intercepts are very dramatic), but currently the campaign is something of an afterthought - little more than a series of missions with no connection to each other. There are 3rd party dynamic campaigns available, which are apparently very good within limitations but I've never had the time to really get into them. The payware Forgotten Battles add-on will have some sort of dynamic campaign too. Personally though, I expect CFS3 to be the leader in that area when it comes out.
Have fun
Finn
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5 July 2002, 06:32 PM
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Cam:
To answer your question, the Bf-109G models and K models did have a Revi refracting optical gun sight that was offset to the starboard side. *To my knowledge, the Fw-190A series centered their Revi gun sight. *The reasons are unknown to me.
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There is no second-place award for a gunfight. Never bring a knife.
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16 August 2002, 04:53 PM
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Finn,
Where are the Il2 multiplay servers? Are there public ones where vulching isnt an overriding problem?
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21 August 2002, 03:25 AM
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I almost always play in co-operative rather than dogfight missions when online, where the problem of vulching doesn't really come into it. You get the occasional team-killer, but it's pretty rare and at least it tends to happen at the very beginning. The dogfight games seem a bit too much like aero-quake to me, indeed all the best dogfights I've had against human opposition have been in co-op missions.
The two main routes to multiplay in case you're not aware of them the standard ubi thingummy and hyperlobby. I think hyperlobby is far better, you've probably seen it anyway - but here it is just in case:
http://hyperfighter.jinak.cz/
The best way to avoid online sillyness is to join a team of course, but if you don't play online terribly often (I don't these days) then it isn't really an option.
Have fun
Finn
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21 August 2002, 11:35 AM
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Hi, I dont like IL-2 and I think that it is not very accurate as many think. Russian & German pilots said always that the IL-2 (Black Death) is very agile, but in the sim it is like a pregnant duck. The FW-190 is behaving much different than German pilots report. Personally I think that CFS2 with all the add-on's has much more the 'feeling-like-real-effect' than IL-2. IL-2 has a somewhat 'static & syntethic' feeling. CFS-3 will beat the hell out of IL-2 in EVERY aspect.......and the good news is: It is coming out in autumn!
IL-2: The most overrated sim in the last 10 years.
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