Whats the full list of skins in ROF?

Willi Von Klugerman · 23 August 2009, 11:14 AM

So whats the full list of skins in ROF?

So far I seen

Von Hippels DVa Jasta 5

Rudolph Bertholds DVII

Hans Kirschstein's DVII

Eddie Rickenbacker's Spad

and thats all I know

Chock · 23 August 2009, 01:29 PM

I suppose it depends on what aircraft you have, since there is an additional Pfalz you can buy, which presumably has a few paint jobs for it. I've only bought the SE5a though and I wasn't that impressed with the flight model, thus I've not been persuaded to buy that Pfalz based on the SE5a not being very impressive, so apart from that I don't really know.

The SE5a is basically supposed to be 56 squadron for the campaign, although the roundel placement is a bit out of position for a 56 Sqn SE5a. Supposedly there is a paint kit on the way for it, so doubtless more paint jobs will show up.

Al

totalspoon · 23 August 2009, 08:13 PM

@ Willi

The first five aircraft (Spad XIII, Nieuport 17 & 28, Albatros D.V and Fokker D.VII) have about a dozen or so skins (I haven’t counted exactly) each. The latest two aircraft (SE5a and Pfalz D.IIIa) have four

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Originally Posted by Chock

I suppose it depends on what aircraft you have, since there is an additional Pfalz you can buy, which presumably has a few paint jobs for it. I've only bought the SE5a though and I wasn't that impressed with the flight model, thus I've not been persuaded to buy that Pfalz based on the SE5a not being very impressive, so apart from that I don't really know.
Al

@ Chock

I understand how you feel. The SE5a feels unfinished, like it was rushed out. The missing Aldis is, well laughable. It bugs me to that it’s harder to hold in a tight turn than the Spad XIII from the latest patch, which is now a dream to fly.

I wish to support Neoqb financially, (I’d hate to see the company closed down due to lack of support) but neither do I wish to keep ploughing money into a game thats only half finished.

On another note…

I told myself I wouldn’t by anymore aircraft (I have them all except the Pfalz) but unfortunately I got drunk on Friday night and bought that too (damm my alcoholic reasoning!!!). I flew a round-robin series of missions on Sunday to try and understand the capabilities of the aircraft in ROF. Using Lasers QMB I flew,

Pfalz vs Fokker
Fokker vs Pfalz
Pfalz vs Albatros
Albatros vs Pfalz
Albatros vs Fokker
Fokker vs Albatros
Pfalz vs Fokker (2nd time)
Fokker vs Pfalz (2nd time)

The Pfalz is without doubt the best of the three. It easily turns inside the Albatros D.V and has a much better zoom. When flying it against the Fokker, I can easily out turn it. While flying the Fokker against the Pfalz, I can just match its turn if I trade a little height to keep my speed up. The zoom on the Pfalz and Fokker seem about the same. I don’t think anybody would contend in real life that the Pfalz D.III was the match of the Fokker D.VII. Larf, I think the allies are going to be truly boned when the Pfalz D.XII comes out in ROF…..

Spoon

Chock · 23 August 2009, 10:10 PM

I could live with the Aldis being missing (just), since I have several pictures of SE5as with it not fitted, however, I do find that I use the Aldis sight in both Flanders Fields and First Eagles when flying the SE5as, so it is definitely missed for me. The fact that the Lewis is not realistically modeled, nor its Foster mount movable either, is also a real bummer as far as gunnery is concerned.

Yet I could even put up with those anomalies if the SE5a flight model was good, but frankly it's not merely disappointing, but laughable, the thing is all over the place and very unstable. That is not in the least bit reminiscent of things you read about it, especially

Bill Lambert's wonderful Combat Report autobiography, where he praises its handling capabilities. Conversely, I think the Albatros flight modeling is pretty good though.

Like yourself spoon, part of my motivation for buying RoF was to support a developer willing to have a crack a WW1, but RoF has a lot of problems which make it very hard to justify the performance overheads it demands from a computer at the moment. There are some real clumsy historical mistakes in it too, such as black flak from British archie, patrols flying around just a few thousand feet off the deck and flights of the wrong numbers of aircraft (five SE5as doing a line patrol?). The campaign is also very lacklustre too, which doesn't help matters.

I'll continue to support it in the hope it improves, but it really needs a commitment from the developers to match the good will many buyers have shown toward it.

Al

totalspoon · 23 August 2009, 10:44 PM

OMG... You mean the Lewis gun wasn't fitted with a 388 round magazine...

Larf... They did go the lazy option, didn't they....

Chock · 24 August 2009, 01:15 AM

Actually, my main complaint with the Lewis gun is that you can't elevate it to fire at a two seater from underneath; that, in combination with the missing Aldis sight removing the means to snipe stuff at long range, particularly since the thing is unstable in flight, means that two primary methods of attack the SE5a was noted for are not feasible. This forces you to dogfight with the SE5a, which may have been a design decision for playability, but if it was a decision for that reason, then it was a poor one, since it has a flight model which hampers that too.

None of this is unfixable of course, so I live in hope that it will be addressed, but as it stands, the developer's claim that RoF is a 'next generation sim' seems to be purely based on the fact that it has pretty eye candy, which although admittedly is nice, is not really as important as adding features which might genuinely be considered a step forward in simulation.

Al

El Barto · 24 August 2009, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Chock

I suppose it depends on what aircraft you have, since there is an additional Pfalz you can buy, which presumably has a few paint jobs for it. I've only bought the SE5a though and I wasn't that impressed with the flight model, thus I've not been persuaded to buy that Pfalz based on the SE5a not being very impressive, so apart from that I don't really know.

The SE5a is basically supposed to be 56 squadron for the campaign, although the roundel placement is a bit out of position for a 56 Sqn SE5a. Supposedly there is a paint kit on the way for it, so doubtless more paint jobs will show up.

Al

Hi, Chock!
I made textures for Se5a in RoF. Could you show me correct position for roundel placement. It's very important for me to make everything historically accurate and I always use reference photos and paint schemes to create my textures. I always ready to edit my texture if somebody shows me that I was wrong.

Cameljockey · 24 August 2009, 07:23 AM

It's not 3200+, that's for sure!

stevedrew · 24 August 2009, 07:45 AM

Beat me to it CJ. Thought I'd start typing some of the OFF skins out, then stop, and tell them I just scrolled through them all in OFF and my fingers are too sore to type anymore.

It just seems to me that RoF is unfinished, and you are paying for the development. If you buy the game with four planes and buy the rest as they appear at $5, $6, $7 or whatever to help them pay their game developers or modellers, how much will you end up spending on it?

39 flyable aircraft in OFF. 3500 odd skins. And the devs (for a long time) were unpaid. Voluntary basis. Labour of love. Now they are seeing the fruits of such labour. Enhancement patches coming out all the time, though the devs are now in a well deserved hiatus, and will return and work on Phase 4.

How many here thought General Motors would go bankrupt? Not too many I think. Companies DO go bankrupt. Sad to see, but reality. If Neoqb's next aircraft, and the next, does not sell well, for whatever reason, who is to say they can survive? I for one won't be paying for "promises".

Ship the game with at least a dozen flyable aircraft, drop the "need to be connected to the internet so you don't pirate our stuff" and I might be swayed to buy a copy. Hell, I'll tell you right now that given those conditions, I WILL purchase a copy. But not a half-finished product with lots of stuff promised.

Shredward · 24 August 2009, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by El Barto

Hi, Chock!
I made textures for Se5a in RoF. Could you show me correct position for roundel placement. It's very important for me to make everything historically accurate and I always use reference photos and paint schemes to create my textures. I always ready to edit my texture if somebody shows me that I was wrong.

Either Ray Rimmell's Datafile, or Ray Sturtivant's 'The SE5 File', or Osprey's 'SE5 Aces' will set you right.
Cheers,
shredward