Another MvR signed Sanke on ebay

ehrenpries · 3 October 2003, 10:09 PM

Enter 2194640162 in ebay search window and this Sanke MvR signed card will come up.

Looks authentic to me (as far as one can see from a scan) It seems to me to have all the characteristics of an authentic signature.

If you havent got one and want one this could be a good 'entry level' to an MvR as it is in pretty rough condition.

IMHO good to excellent cards go for US$3500-4800., so maybe this is worth US$1750 ? IMHO !

I see Swissbee has announced his 'registration' ! (See

Albert Ball thread !)

If you are going to bid checkout the Albert Ball thread first for some good hints and tips on bidding for items like this

More mulled wine nurse :P

Ehrenpries

Barker · 4 October 2003, 11:01 AM

Isn't MvR dead yet? 8)

AOK4 · 4 October 2003, 11:13 AM

I don't like the writing I must say. I've never seen Ritm as an abbreviation for RiTTmeister...
The writing also looks very un-Sütterlin...
Perhaps someone else has seen an original MvR autograph and can comment on this?

Jan

frontflieger · 4 October 2003, 11:37 AM

I would say: it is a rather ugly original! But the price is ... rediculous!

7 October 2003, 04:37 AM

Here are examples of MvR's signature from reputable dealers. I do see some similarities.

regards

7 October 2003, 04:38 AM

Here's the other...

ehrenpries · 7 October 2003, 05:09 AM

Good one Winged Warrior

Are you convinced the second one of your samples is authentic ?
There are plenty of characteristics about it that look 100% but is the R particularly sharp with the upward slant as opposed to the more typical 'roll' downwards of the right hand side of the R and the 'c' seems to be disconnected from the rest of the signature.......a trait I havent seen in other examples. The 'inflexion' above the R is also abit unusual being so small and touching the top of the R. Dont get me wrong Im more than happy to accept it as an example. Im just querying a couple of the characteristics as being untypical. What do you think Winged Warrior ?

Anyone else out there want to contribute with examples?

(Please avoid the obvious Peppard and Ursula examples !!)

Bidding closing in rapidly on my guess of $US1750 for the present ebay item as we speak ! I wouldnt want it personally but from what I can see Im convinced its as genuine as anyone can ever determine from a scan.

Ehrenpries

7 October 2003, 07:12 AM

Hi ehrenpries,

I understand your thoughts about the second signature. My guess is that it was written in a hurry, as it is definitely not as legible as the first example. This particular signature is currently for sale on:

www.derrittmeister.com.

I believe it to be authentic, as I have my total trust in Ken Greenfield not to try and pass a forgery off as an authentic signature. He has sold many German WW1 pilot signatures over the years, including several of MvR's. I think that it is a good example of how a person's signature can change depending on the his/her mood, physical position (sitting or standing), and where and when it was signed.

regards

Barrett · 7 October 2003, 07:38 AM

WW has a point. I've only seen one MvR signature so wouldn't presume to comment on others, but the time/fatigue factor is definitely a biggie. My own scrawl changes during autograph sessions. Also, I recall helping with a mass litho signing years ago when Joe Foss finished a lap and a half ahead of everybody else. Somebody asked how he did it and he winked at Gabby: "Well, my name isn't Francis Salvatore Gabreski!"