MvR autograph eBay Germany

FliegerJG1 · 16 January 2005, 06:10 AM

I just found this listing on eBay Germany for an interesting postcard apparently written by

Manfred von Richthofen in 1916 to a Fraulein Kaestner.

Item number is: 6146687853

Link to item page:

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...tem=6146687853

Enjoy!

VBR...FliegerJG1

VtwinVince · 16 January 2005, 11:34 AM

That's a nice looking item.

Amy · 17 January 2005, 07:38 PM

Ditto here, nice looking item.

Anyone know who Gertrud Kaestner was? Also, can anyone read/translate what the back of the postcard says?

Michael_Dailey · 17 January 2005, 08:17 PM

Hi Amy

There is a Hauptmann Herman Kastner mentioned in an MvR letter translation on p.137 of Kilduff's 'Beyond the Legend.' I know the spelling is different but cannot help but wonder if Fraulein Kaestner may be related to this fellow.

regards,

MDD

18 January 2005, 01:44 PM

Hello autograph lovers! I hate to pile on but this does look like a nice MvR signature. I recently purchased a signed post card myself and the item being discussed here has many of the same positive characteristics. Good luck with this one! History Fan

Immo_Frese · 18 January 2005, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amy

Anyone know who Gertrud Kaestner was? Also, can anyone read/translate what the back of the postcard says?

Hi Amy,

it's difficult to translate the first line because it was written in stenography. What follows is a greeting for Newyearsday. But I can say for sure that the postcard was not signed by MvR because the writers first name was "Fritz". I think he probably sent this card with a signature from MvR to impress his girlfriend...

On the other hand, how would it be possible to impress someone with a person who is totally unknown at this point of time?

So the signature of MvR is either faked or MvR signed it later...

Immo

Amy · 19 January 2005, 03:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Immo_Frese

Hi Amy,

it's difficult to translate the first line because it was written in stenography. What follows is a greeting for Newyearsday. But I can say for sure that the postcard was not signed by MvR because the writers first name was "Fritz". I think he probably sent this card with a signature from MvR to impress his girlfriend...

On the other hand, how would it be possible to impress someone with a person who is totally unknown at this point of time?

So the signature of MvR is either faked or MvR signed it later...

Immo

Hi Immo:

Thanks for the added info. The signature looks authentic to me. I wonder if Gertrud somehow encountered MvR later than 1916 and had him sign this card due to the airplane on it.

Cheers, Amy

ehrenpries · 19 January 2005, 06:17 AM

My first reaction is that this is the real thing...............I dont know why some of these EUROPEAN sellers dont go worldwide on ebay as this would have attracted a much higher bid I am sure.......for us in the USA UK and Antipodes who are seriously searching, please remember to go to advanced search on ebay, and click on 'any country' as you will miss out on many listings.
As for the very valid comment that it was signed when he was not famous, it may have well been signed later !
This buyer got a jackpot in my humble opinion (IMHO)
More mulled wine nurse
Ehrenpries

25 January 2005, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ehrenpries

I dont know why some of these EUROPEAN sellers dont go worldwide on ebay as this would have attracted a much higher bid I am sure.

Most Germans don't speak english very well. They can understand it a little bit but they usually can't speak or write it. Another case is the shipping and the payment. Very confusing for most Germans. I think it's the same thing with European sellers from other Countries. In Italy they just started to teach english in school to every student. I work in a Hostel in Munich and I have a lot italian customers and they usually speak some german and maybe some english. You have to talk with hands and feet.

There is a italian Restaurant in the same building. The Pal who makes the Pizzas always talks in italien to me and I understand nothing more than "How are you".

cu, Spaceball