Geschwaderstock

[MicroSculpt]

Greetings!

I'm curious if anyone knows what happened to Richthofen's Geschwaderstock after it was passed to Goring? Is it still around today (doubtful)?

Also does anyone have details on the construction? I know it had the large "knob" at the top, and the stick was tapered. But how was the length of the stick detailed? Are those segmented bands?

Does anyone have a good clear shot of the stick?

There also appear to be white (or metallic) bands below the grip. One when sported by MVR, and I believe three when used by Goring. Did these signify the succession of Jasta leaders?

I look forward to hearing from you all.

Tom

[MicroSculpt]

There is a mention in the Spielberg Archives of the the being a blackthorn walking stick. Are those just nipped branch nubs along the length?

Comments?

Tom

[Taz]

Tom- See if these help. Photos Arthur Rahn Collection, National Museum of the USAF.

Taz
Terry Phillips

ScrapbookBpg19 MvR Rittm Friessenhagen Detail.jpg

ScrapbookBpg19 Rittm Friessenhagen MvR Detail.jpg

[MicroSculpt]

Taz:

WOW! Most excellent.

I have never seen it so clearly. SO, it is indeed a blackthorn or some similar type. And those ARE the nipped ends of branches.

Thank you!

Tom

[MicroSculpt]

Taz:

BTW, did you notice that MVR's feet don't reach the ground. He was indeed short.

Tom

[FliegerJG1]

Tom,

The Rittmeister and Europeans in general were of much smaller build than their American counterparts. MvR's height, I've found, to be estimated between 5 feet 4 inches and 5 feet 7 inches. After he was KIA, the Aussies examining his body commented on his very small feet. There was trouble finding someone who could wear the boots they ratted off of him!
His feet were about my size which would be a women's size 6.5. A friend of mine who saw Gerstenberg's uniform displayed in the Omaka museum in New Zealand said he must have been a pygmy because the tunic was so very small. You also get a relaistic idea of the diminuitive build of these men when you sit in the cockpit of a WWI aircraft. Small but mighty they were!

FliegerJG1

[Hans]

Steven Spielberg Film and Video Archive at USHMM -- RG-60.3352

01:08:31 Probably mid-July 1918, Anthony Fokker in civilian suit, between Goering and Bruno Loerzer. MvR's blackthorn walking stick ("Geschwaderstock") handed to Goering, when Goering became Commanding Officer of Jagdgeschwader 1 on July 7, 1918. Loerzer takes it to admire and pass back. CU, Goering and Loerzer wearing Blue Max (Pour le Merite) medals at neck. Goering with stick passes close by camera, moving off. 01:09:32 Anthony Fokker poses with Goering and Loerzer.
(Text from this site)

H.

[Taz]

Tom- Glad you liked them. Peter Grosz had never seen that photo when I sent him the Rahn collection, and it really cracked him up to see their feet dangling. He sent me a funny note about it. Flieger is right, he was tiny. Ferko said he was only 5'4" tall and a huge contrast with his brother Lothar. The nearest I can find to his size in modern athletes are the Formula 1 drivers, who tend to be very small, since the car is weighed with the driver on board and any weight below the minumum can be used to put ballast in the most helpful locations.

Taz
Terry Phillips

[Kilian]

That would explain why he was such a good horseback rider

[Laserlloyd]

From my understanding when Goring was captured by the Americans that his house picked clean by the US troops that were there. The only thing I have heard that has surfaced is his photo collection that was taken by one member of US troop. Does any one know if this is correct. I thought I had heard about it in one of the documentaries on Goring.

It probably ended up in a garage sale after the chap died and sold for $10 and now some pimp in L.A. is walking around with it not knowing what he has.

What happen to his personal effects after his death. The stock room that held all of the personal effects at Nuremburg had to go some where.

Lloyd...