Interesting Halberstadt CL.IV & Walter Blume Signature on eBay

[Galloway]

Hey everyone,

I thought this might be of interest to someone out there.....I have never seen this photo before???? Pretty interesting in the way they turned the national markings into a bit of personal type marking....hmmmmm

WW2 WWII GERMAN SANKE MERITE PLANE HALBERSTAD SIGNATURE - eBay (item 230352994879 end time Jul-05-09 14:53:47 PDT)

Ken in Arizona

[Gregvan]

Hello,

Just a note: caveat emptor.

In my opinion, the 'Walter Blume' signature is a forgery. This Belgian postcard seems to be labeled at the bottom as showing "Thieffry". That would probably be the Belgian ace Edmond Thieffry; the pilot in the front clearly resembles Thieffry. He does NOT resemble German ace Walter Blume. In my opinion, this postcard has nothing to do with Walter Blume.

In my opinion this is a post-war photo of a captured or interned Roland-built Halberstadt CL.II, which had been taken over by the Belgians. The cockpit has been modified by the removal of the gun ring. The painting over of the fuselage cross may have been a start on converting it or at least covering it up.

That's just my opinion- and that's all it is. I'm not accusing the seller of anything; he may have been taken in by someone else.

Take it or leave it.



Greg

[Raineranton]

Hello Ken,

I agree with Greg and I think this is not Walter Blume.

-The Halberstadt CL IV was introduced in spring 1918. At this time Blume was an official member of Jasta 26 and since mid march 1918 a member of Jasta 9. So why should he sit in a schlasta-aircraft? Ok, it could be the courier-aircraft of the staffel, but I don´t think so.

- Downside on the left of the picture stands: “Pilote Thieffert”- I didn´t found a pilot with this name or nearby this name either by Jasta 26 nor Jasta 9.

- Pilote = French Language

- On the backside stands: Frohe Weihnachtsgrüße – Merry Christmas. Do you really think he wrote this postcard on Christmas 1918? – The year 1917 could not be!

- flandern1 had sold very dubious pictures from members of the fliegertruppe which he had declared, they are from jastas in the last few months. But I think he will only make them more interesting. I have bought a picture of him with a British Pilot which he declared, this would be Donald Maclaren (54 kills) but it was W.W.Rogers (9 kills)!

Regards

Rainer

[Galloway]

Originally Posted by Gregvan

Hello,

Just a note: caveat emptor.

In my opinion, the 'Walter Blume' signature is a forgery. This Belgian postcard seems to be labeled at the bottom as showing "Thieffry". That would probably be the Belgian ace Edmond Thieffry; the pilot in the front clearly resembles Thieffry. He does NOT resemble German ace Walter Blume. In my opinion, this postcard has nothing to do with Walter Blume.

In my opinion this is a post-war photo of a captured or interned Roland-built Halberstadt CL.II, which had been taken over by the Belgians. The cockpit has been modified by the removal of the gun ring. The painting over of the fuselage cross may have been a start on converting it or at least covering it up.

That's just my opinion- and that's all it is. I'm not accusing the seller of anything; he may have been taken in by someone else.

Take it or leave it.



Greg

Greg & Rainer,

I totally agree with your analysis of the Walter Blume signature....just an interesting photo that I have not seen before....anyone else ever see this photo-postcard before???

Ken

[Bettors Pub]

Originally Posted by Raineranton

- flandern1 had sold very dubious pictures from members of the fliegertruppe which he had declared, they are from jastas in the last few months. But I think he will only make them more interesting. I have bought a picture of him with a British Pilot which he declared, this would be Donald Maclaren (54 kills) but it was W.W.Rogers (9 kills)!

Wow, the auction was taken down. Imagine that. This particular seller has never shown this type of compunction before with his other "dubious" pieces.
He has seems to have a Gustav Doerr fetish as every 4-5 weeks he'll have something from this pilot up.

[Bulldog90]

I've stopped buying from this seller. He always seems to have interesting stuff, and you want to believe the details he provides, but I've been burned by him a couple of times.

Bulldog90