French 4 colour camouflage

[duncan-k]

Hello all,

Does anyone have F.S numbers(or cash equivalent) for the 4 colour camouflage as applied to Spad 7's I Have references but they all refer to the munsell book which is a bit like Sanskrit to me.
Humbroll Paint Numbers would also be fine.

Thank You

[Copperhead]

Done this before but lost the mark. The Brown is the same in Testors as French Chestnut brown. I'm told that's an exact match. The CDL is speculative but if you can get it the "Mr. Kit" from "Roll Models" is also exact. Now I'm not 100% BUT THE LIGHT GREEN is a good match to Testors " Pale Green" (it's an RAF WWII colour). The rest will have to come from someone else as I've lost my papers that I had it written on. JW

[Matt_Bittner]

At one point I considered those listed in the following links to be close:

http://www.wwi-models.org/misc/Frenc...ollyscale.html

However, now I'm not sure. I matched them to the Repliscale color chips, but have since heard those are not accurate. I wonder if anyone has any CMYK or Pantone equivalents?

The easiest solution would be to use Mister-Kit paints, available from Roll Models. I find them pretty accurate, at least the French colors.
However, if you dont mind mixing paints, I offer the following mixes, all using Humbrol paints;

Light Green - 2 parts # 80 + i part # 34
Dark Green - Humbrol # 116
Light Brown - 4 parts #74 + 2 parts # 186 + i part # 10
Dark Brown - Humbrol # 10Linen - Humbrol # 71

[Tomasz]

Duncan,

French camouflage colors are very difficult to define. As far as preserved samples show them, they differed from the aircraft to aircraft significantly.

Generally consider dark brown as the darkest color (except of black when applicable) which range was close to dark chockolate or umber (e.g. Model Master Raw and Burnt Umber paints)

Dark green was second darkest and its tint varied from olive to pure green (thus both Humbrol 116 and 163 are acceptable)

Beige was third darkest. It was yellow brown which tended toward olive. British used to classify such color as khaki rather (for example Humbrol 26 is not that bad match).

Light Green was most elusive. It was the lightest color on the upper surfaces. It ranged from pale green (somewhere around FS 34277) to very light beige.

Also please note that contrary to varnishes for metal and wooden surfaces, the pigmented dopes for fabric surfaces were mixed with aluminum powder, which gave them mild appearance and slightly metallic sheen.

If you would like to know more about French finishes I would suggest you buying Alan Toelle's Breguet XIV Datafile Special. It is not cheap but really well worth every dollar. You can find there the conclusions of the years of diligent researches.

Tomasz

Tomasz;


Thank you for your "treatise" on French camouflage colors! World War 1 colors are all difficult to classify be it French, German or British. The color mixes that I listed came from a list from IPMS Stockholm, which I found on the internet many years ago. Whether they are accurate or not I dont' know.I used them for quite a while, until I started using Mister-Kit paints. Needless to say the colors are different. However, it does save me a lot of miixing of paints!

I agree with your comments on the Windsock Datafile - expensive but well worth the price. Now if they could only produce one on the Salmson 2A2, I would be in heaven - rather surprising that Windsock has no Datafile on this most important aircraft that was used extensively by the French and U.S. Air Services.

[Matt_Bittner]

Originally posted by GuyCanuck@Jun 24 2004, 09:17 PM
[b] I agree with your comments on the Windsock Datafile - expensive but well worth the price. Now if they could only produce one on the Salmson 2A2, I would be in heaven - rather surprising that Windsock has no Datafile on this most important aircraft that was used extensively by the French and U.S. Air Services.

I'm not sure if we'll see one or not. Flying Machines Press released one a few years ago, and it's very well done.

[Ross_Moorhouse]

This is of great use to any one building the Roden Nie.28.