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9 November 2004, 12:57 PM
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Observer
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Luke's final mission Spad
So the story goes that Luke, facing house arrest, jumped into a squadron mate's Spad on 29 September, 1918 and flew into immortality. So is it confirmed that he was not flying #26 when he was killed? And if not, does history record the particulars of the machine he was flying??
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9 November 2004, 01:31 PM
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Well, get your hands on the very latest Over the Front and see Alan Toelle's piece on Luke's non#26 Spads. But, to spoil the suspense....On September 29, Luke was flying a new and most likely unmarked Spad, Bernard built 7984.
RK
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9 November 2004, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by karrart
Well, get your hands on the very latest Over the Front and see Alan Toelle's piece on Luke's non#26 Spads. But, to spoil the suspense....On September 29, Luke was flying a new and most likely unmarked Spad, Bernard built 7984. RK karrart.com
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At the rate that Luke went through Spads I don't doubt that it was factory fresh sans unit markings of any kind.
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9 November 2004, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by StephenLawson
At the rate that Luke went through Spads I don't doubt that it was factory fresh sans unit markings of any kind.
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I'm glad to hear someone say this out in the open.
Exactly.
Those of us that love "26" have our reasons  but I'd bet that one is no more or less noteworthy than a half-dozen others.
All shot-to-hell.
Those are the reference photos, correct? "26"?
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9 November 2004, 06:28 PM
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And even our old friend #26 has never been positively ID'ed, nor positively confirmed as being an airplane Luke flew. Just part of the mystique I reckon.
At the moment he's flying over the Superstition Mountains trying to avoid landing on a saguaro!
RK
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9 November 2004, 06:42 PM
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'fraid of that...
Know what I feel certain about (ulp):
the checkerboard...
doesn't seem right to me but I don't want to step on toes.
Given what we're talking about here, I'd guess that to be an after-the-war thing, but I don't want to make insult to historians, museum curators or volunteer craftsmen.
anyhoo...
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"A King may move a man, a father may claim a son,
but remember that even when those who move you be Kings,
or men of power, your soul is in your keeping alone.
When you stand before God, you cannot say,
"But I was told by others to do thus."
Or that,
"Virtue was not convenient at the time."
This will not suffice.."
-Baldwin Four of The Baldwin Piano Company
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10 November 2004, 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Barker
 'fraid of that... Know what I feel certain about (ulp):
the checkerboard... doesn't seem right to me but I don't want to step on toes. Given what we're talking about here, I'd guess that to be an after-the-war thing, but I don't want to make insult to historians, museum curators or volunteer craftsmen.
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Lay your fears aside Barker, The checker pattern wing stripe is a verified 27th Aero Sqdn insignia. The cited Over the Front issue has an image or two as well.
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10 November 2004, 12:09 PM
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Two-seater Pilot
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I'm looking at that issue now... Definitely the cover painting shows the checkerboard upperwing marking. I'll defer to the artist's knowledge, since this was new to me. However, in the same issue, there's a photo that barely shows something that could be the checkerboard marking on the upper wing of No. 26, page 131.
Interestingly, none of the Nieuport photos show such a marking. So if it was a wartime marking, it was a late war thing (1st Aug 1918 onwards).
Best regards,
Zeppelin
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10 November 2004, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Zeppelin
I'm looking at that issue now... Definitely the cover painting shows the checkerboard upperwing marking. I'll defer to the artist's knowledge, since this was new to me. However, in the same issue, there's a photo that barely shows something that could be the checkerboard marking on the upper wing of No. 26, page 131.
Interestingly, none of the Nieuport photos show such a marking. So if it was a wartime marking, it was a late war thing (1st Aug 1918 onwards).
Best regards,
Zeppelin
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Attention corrected information from original post!
If I according to Cross & Cockade USA Vol. 5 #2, Pp.145-167. the stripes were accorded to AEF units that had been at the front for 1 month or receipt of a unit citation for Bombing or Observation sqdn. For a Pursuit Sqdn. 3 aerial victories or unit citation. The stripes were considered to be for above and below identification for inflight situations. They were also allowed to apply their own unit insignia at this time. These were predetermined by the unit before going to the front and were on record with the Chief of the Air Service.
Last edited by StephenLawson; 10 November 2004 at 04:53 PM.
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10 November 2004, 12:35 PM
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Two-seater Pilot
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The Spad #26 with the possible marking is dated circa 1 Sep 1918, so that would fit in with what you said pretty well.
Regards,
Zeppelin
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