Meet the Fokkers?

[Ross_Moorhouse]

Originally Posted by buzz1941

I think Ross's point is that we're essentially making fun of the guy in a separate forum, while no one has pointed out in the error of his ways in his own forum. On the other hand, he made his build public, and so public commentary is to be expected. Including making fun of doing something dumb or plain odd.

"A" for effort, I guess. But he got other things well-done on this build, so what went kerblooey? Artistic interpretation is one thing ... but this propeller simply calls attention to itself. Has he never looked at the real thing?

Bottom line, of course, is that I'll be quite nervous painting me own Dr.1 prop, knowing that the Scale Police are out there, watching and waiting.

Thank you... That is my point.

@ Stephen Lawson, Don't quote the forums rules at me when A) I have not broken them in this thread and B) You yourself don't follow them. I can provide links if you like.

[NeilE]

Mmmm I see the opportunity for a few bucks here....

Maybe I can do a CD with all the forum rules on it...

Hey I can even do a special "Above the Rules" Download!

I'll sell it for 20.00 bucks a pop...

It can't fail!

Neil

[buzz1941]

The ironic thing is -- if the guy had simply painted his prop brown, no one would care.

We run into this dilemma judging on the national level in IPMS, and it makes for very interesting debates. Basically, there is a difference between a "model" -- a representation of a real thing -- and a "scale model," which is the real thing rendered in miniature form (or appearing to look that way).

That settled, the next debate point is "errors of omission" -- in which the builder goofed or left something off -- and "errors of commission," in which the builder deliberately got something wrong for some reason.

[Ross_Moorhouse]

At the end of the day it’s a hobby and should be treated as such. Each person has his own skill levels. Some people model for fun. Others for the competition and others for the financial gain. But at the end of the day it should just be about the personal enjoyment one gets out of model making.

But to public rubbish someone when that someone can't even defend themsleves is just not on.

[StephenLawson]

Originally Posted by Ross_Moorhouse

Stephen Lawson, Don't quote the forums rules at me when A) I have not broken them in this thread and B) You yourself don't follow them. I can provide links if you like.

1. We didn't break them either so don't correct us, thats the point. No-one said anything about you breaking rules. Why does this have to be about you? No-one here is saying the build is rubbish. On the contrary it only has one area that has been noticed as being lacking. Two of you count rigging but some people don't like to rig.

2. Provide all the links that you desire, I'm sure you keep a folder on all the members you don't like. It still doesn't give you the right to tell forum members what they can or can't approve or disapprove of in a thread. There are a few links I could post too, but evidently I'm the one who realizes that this is not a place for airing personal grievances. You are making this personal so do it off-line.

To the forum at large; We come here to learn and help one another about building models at least I do. Its not about policing anyone, its about getting the build or a specific part of it to look like a scale version of the real thing. We have had numerous threads on the subject here, especially on the subject of wood grain. Hey if you want a prop to look like art deco, fine. Some of us don't and that is why we have a most memorable builds thread where we can appreciate the better builds of all modelers we come across. I'm not wanting to get this thread shut down because of the inflammatory text of others.

Until Scott shuts me down I'll quote forum rules. They are there to protect us. So, take your bold lettering and shout at someone else I for one am not intimidated.

[NeilE]

Lawson sez...
To the forum at large; We come here to learn and help one another about building models at least I do. Its not about policing anyone, its about getting the build or a specific part of it to look like a scale version of the real thing. We have had numerous threads on the subject here, especially on the subject of wood grain. Hey if you want a prop to look like art deco, fine. Some of us don't and that is why we have a most memorable builds thread where we can appreciate the better builds of all modelers we come across. I'm not wanting to get this thread shut down because of the inflammatory text of others.

Until Scott shuts me down I'll quote forum rules. They are there to protect us. So, take your bold lettering and shout at someone else I for one am not intimidated. Great conduct for a moderator

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Here's a suggestion for you...

Why don't you e-mail the guy at Fine Scale and ask him his permission to use his model?

And of course exactly explain why you want to use it too.

That would be the right thing to do....

Funny that ain't in forum rules either....

Or of course you could have started the thread without using that model at all... but that would have been less self important fun for you I guess...

I remain etc...

Neil

[John Masters]

By making mistakes on my own builds I have learned through the kindly tuteledge of this forum to not make them again. An example is my ignorance concerning aileron direction pointed out by Volker Nemesch on my Roland build. I certainly won't make the mistake again. I also didn't take it personally, and I might add, threw in a little humor at my own embarassment.
If the builder of the Dr.1 visits this forum I hope he takes our jibes with more than a few grains of salt, continues to build WW1 kits, and signs on as a member. All are welcome!

John Masters

[buzz1941]

The guy really was trying to do it right. Here's his own description of how he did the prop:

Originally Posted by FineScale Forum

For the prop ... After trimming and sanding it, I sprayed it with gloss tan, then applied scalloped patterns in varied shades of brown to simulate laminated wood. I made sure the contours were long and eliptical to enhance the form of the blade and thinned the paint just enough to make it flow properly. The most important thing was the brush ... a thin Sable Liner brush with long hairs that let it trail out like a pinstripe and give you smooth flow off the end. When I was done I sealed it with a coat of clear gloss and painted the retainer ring and bolts.
I'm an illustrator and sometimes I just paint the part as though it was a picture. Much of my artistic technique can be applied to painting models and I often need a model as a maquette to draw from. So the two go hand in hand with me.

Now, reading that without seeing the actual result sounds quite reasonable....

[NeilE]

Hi All;

Prop painting is an area that always shows a fair amount of variation in our sphere of modelling I think. it is subject to some very individual methods and is almost a signature of the modeller. Wanting to get it 'accurate' is always good but ours would be a very dull hobby indeed if the 'correct way was the only way' and in the long run, no-one learns anything from that.

John posted his Roland and received help from Volker about something he'd done wrong. That is, of course how it should work. By posting your model in a way you implicitly ask for comments and feedback - just as an artist does when they display their work.

Ross' comments were simply about whether that was 'good form' or 'bad form' to post a modeller's work without permission and proceed to critique it for the poster's own ends - not whether it was against forum rules or not.

The problem is a certain forum member carries a lot of negative baggage about Ross (and me also) in regard to another matter and any comment will inflame him as a result. Perhaps its unavoidable but I would prescribe taking a chill pill instead.

Regards

Neil

[StephenLawson]

Now we bring photos here all the time from other venues and make comments about them. What makes anyone member think we have to live under his dictatorship? Again this is not the place for personal grievances. Looking objectively at the image we see that scheme is that of a nondescript bird...no-one in specific. The point is for the average builder to see what works and what doesn't for laminations or woodgrain. There has been no name calling or bashing. The image is a tool for us to glean a better understanding.