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9 July 2005, 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by buzz1941
The guy really was trying to do it right. Here's his own description of how he did the prop:
Now, reading that without seeing the actual result sounds quite reasonable....
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Actually his TECHNIQUE was quite good too... it is just the layout of the laminations that has him confused. He has a good method, he just needs to understand WHY the lines should run a certain way, and I am sure he would get it spot on.
Brad
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9 July 2005, 11:01 PM
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Stephen L: What makes anyone member think we have to live under his dictatorship?
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What dictatorship?
Dictator in this instance means anyone who stands up to Stephen Lawson doing and saying what he likes, rules or no rules, good form or bad form, in this Forum which he seems to think is his own personal little kingdom.
This has been seen again and again.
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Stephen L: Again this is not the place for personal grievances
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Then why are you publically exhibiting yours (again)? If you like I can post the links to the threads that show exactly why you personally have a grudge against Ross.
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Stephen L: Looking objectively at the image we see that scheme is that of a nondescript bird...no-one in specific. The point is for the average builder to see what works and what doesn't for laminations or woodgrain. There has been no name calling or bashing. The image is a tool for us to glean a better understanding
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All of which could be done just as well in a discussion minus the guy's model. It is being used in a substantively different way than just a few passing comments/feedback about someone's model. In our opinions he may have got it wrong but what give's you the right to use it in that way?
No-one is stopping you discussing techniques about woodgraining and laminating...
the real problem here is that you can't take criticism no matter how minor or trivial.
GROW UP!
Neil
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10 July 2005, 08:47 AM
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Laminations for props on kits.
Brad & Buzz1941; Here is a drawing from Bob Horton who first explained how to do laminated props to me. The was originally going to be given to PeterL with type written instructions until his website locked up on him.
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10 July 2005, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by StephenLawson
Brad & Buzz1941; Here is a drawing from Bob Horton who first explained how to do laminated props to me. The was originally going to be given to PeterL with type written instructions until his website locked up on him.
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Uh, thanks, I think. Most Dr.1 props I've seen are five layers. What material is Bob scraping and soaking in the top image?
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11 July 2005, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by buzz1941
Uh, thanks, I think. Most Dr.1 props I've seen are five layers. What material is Bob scraping and soaking in the top image?
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Buzz1941; Bob's sketch was just a generic version to show the method. He taught me to use marqueting wood. Mostly found in Doll house flooring and etc.
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11 July 2005, 08:41 AM
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Greetings all; I had a nice reply from the builder of the kit in question. Seems a decent sort not a bit thin skinned. Oh! Did I forget to tell someone that I posted an e-mail to the fellow when I did the posting here?? Silly me...
Seems like someone started their finger wagging a bit before they had all the info.
"Stephen,
I appreciate your insights and I'll most certainly review the various
websites you provide for my reference. I anticipate they will not only
elucidate the specificis of the issue at hand, but will give me hours of
inspiring viewing of additional subject matter.
I will humbly admit that my DR1 build is indeed a "generic" aircraft that
will not meet the stringent requirements for authenticity that some builders
demand. On the other hand, were it one of my aviation paintings "on trial,"
I would ensure every detail down to the last streaming ascot and perforated
barrel jacket is accurate.
I'll wander back to that thread ... is it one of those you provided? I seemed to have missed it because I spent the day detailing my '84 Vette in the garage while it rained outside. Seems a waste of time given the weather, but I love the rounded curves ... kind of like a woman's if you know what I mean.
But I digress. If you look close enough at the photos, you'll note I didn't
even dust it of before I posted. I'm surpised no one saw that, either.
LOL! And I appreciate your critique ... streaking over clear dope on canvas
would result in a different look than over blue as I said. I stand
corrected. How well did my disertation on Klinkerumpf fare in the research?
I went by memory without referring directly to my sources at the time.
All the best,
Bob Rosenburgh"
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11 July 2005, 10:02 PM
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Just a bit more from the builder...
"...Thanks , Stephen ... I don't think I've ever been involved in a conversation where I wasn't involved in the conversation ... LOL! That's an interesting bit of dialog about my prop and I'll have to agree that the grain I applied bears little resemblance to the appropriate contours that actual laminated wood exhibits. So much so that I feel compelled to pull the thing off the DR-1, sand it smooth and redo the painting. And, just to please the most discriminating of the posters in the thread, perhaps I'll add the six or
seven wires that constitute rigging on a Fokker Triplane.
Tell your wingmates on the forum that I quite enjoyed the discussion and only a few stray rounds creased my wing fabric. Posting my photos on another forum is fine with me, since I did put them up for public viewing myself ... even if someone gives me a little lead and squeezes off a burst or two. And I can see from your examples that props matter a great deal
more to purests than to the casual Fliegerschmuck like myself. I fly into
the sunset a wiser man.
Check six,
Bob
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12 July 2005, 12:17 AM
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Bob
An excellent fellow with a good 'tude
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12 July 2005, 01:22 AM
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The fellow sounds long winded enough to fit in with us perfectly.... Good job it wasn't Voss's Tripe he'd built and got the cowling right/wrong.
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12 July 2005, 04:38 AM
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stirring with an electron spoon
This is an outrage.
Shocking - yes - and a Hissing and By Word.
Does he know about our Fictional Section?
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