Joseph Jacobs 450/17

Ross_Moorhouse · 25 March 2006, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Kerry Brenstuhl

Thanks Ross,

I'm looking forward to seeing yours when it's done.

KB

Fuselage insides painted and weathered. Started painting the wings today. Pilot done except for the harness. PJ 72nd resin pilot...

Familyman · 25 March 2006, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Fritz Kempf

Also how about adding the extra braces on the landing gear, these would make a nice touch.

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I don't see them in this picture!

Mikko

Fritz Kempf · 25 March 2006, 09:27 AM

Familyman
This is a much bigger picture than I have, so I was relying on the text that said that were there.

As you can see in this picture they are clearly not, my only guess is that if they were truly there, this being a field mod, this picture may per-date this modification. Maybe Stephen can answer this better.

Thanks
ED

StephenLawson · 25 March 2006, 09:16 PM

Greetings all; It turned out to be a modification seen on Jasta 7, Jasta B & Jasta 36. It was for the purpose of keeping the wing axle stiff. A. Imrie discusses it in some detail in his book and a subsequent atricle in C&C Intl.
Another DML DR I Question

van der Laan · 26 March 2006, 02:24 PM

Fritz:

The retro fitting of gear fairing stabilizers was not until late in the war. My replica of 450 will not have one because I've never seen evidence that the original one bore it. 470 on the other hand did have one on it and Ron Bloomquist’s new replica 470/17 (almost completed now) will have it.

Steve Lawson is the person with most knowledge of Jacob’s I’ve found in my quest for information on him and his mounts over the years. I’ve been out to Denver to seen the museum and its Jacob’s artifacts but unfortunately no further photographic information on the BADGE was found there. I know from talking with Steve L and others that there are indeed more images of the BADGE out there, but unfortunately they are in the hands of a few collectors that call themselves “historians” who view the photos as their TRADE secret and they are not viewable by the rest of us. Kind of violates the definition of HISTORIAN doesn’t it?

As for the image itself, as Lawson and I have discussed in the past, Steve can prove that the image was painted and repainted on nearly every late model fighter Jacob’s flew. It seems the BADGE was applied to the current mount of Jacobs and then removed from the non current one. This would likely mean that there are many versions of the image with slight differences as one can see with the WING design on the Fokker DVII. The closest reference to it I’ve run across other than the now famous rear right quarter photo is this painting, done by a Frenchman for Jacob’s which hung in his house for many years. One would assume that if it was incorrect Jacob’s would have mentioned it or had it corrected. A full color plate can be found in Neil W. O’Connor’s book “Aviation Awards of Imperial Germany in WW1 and the men who earned them. Volume V”. As for what the image is of, if I am not mistaken only Jacob’s wife referred to it as the “God of the North Wind” while Jacobs himself referred to it as a “Fire Spitting Witch” a “Devil’s Head” and a “Dark Angel” as reported by O’Connor and Sims. If I am not mistaken Jacob’s made a Crayola drawing of the image for either Neil O’Connor or Edward H. Sims in the late 60s. Sure wish I could find a copy of it.