New 1/72 Night Lozenge Decals

[StephenLawson]

Just as a reminder Staaken R.30 was covered in the normal 5 colour printed loz. But the rest had painted lozenge over all or large portions of their airframe overpainted dark single colour. As Derry has pointed out.

"I'll make the changes as soon as I can. It can be somewhat confusing for the novice. All the aircraft up to the Aviatik and L planes were PAINTED. Construction photos such this quite well. Printed only means the "scheme" style in these cases. We're talking Staakens here. And they were all (with one exception) painted to simulate "printed schemes". . . .the Gotha sheets should arrive shortly. The 1st sheets are for 5 Colour printed Night Scheme for Gothas and the fabric WAS printed Lozenge linen.

The 2nd style will be in the same colours but for a 5 Colour Printed REPEATING pattern. I'll go over to the forum and try and straighten out some of the confusion. Thanks for the update!

Cheers, Derry"

[Matt_Bittner]

Say, Derry. Forget all this Lozenge business and bring out more RCW decals.

[Dan_San_Abbott]

Derry:
There is abig difference between printed, (repeating pattern) and painted pattern, which is random non-repeating pattern.
There is some confusion in what you have stated in your reponse.
Dan-San

[AROTH]

I hate to beat this subject to death, but I have a question for any of you experts on the issue of night lozenge. I have just received my Orion Night Lozenge decals and they are indeed the works of art as the rest of you have described. However, I have read this entire thread 4 times and the Orion instruction/description sheet several times, pulled out my Staaken datafile, pulled out my stash of Americal decals, etc., and still for the life of me, cannot figure out which aircraft subject these decals should go on.

I have:

both Roden Staaken models, 27/16 and 52/17

all Roden Gotha models, G.V and G.Va/b

and two Friedrichschafen G.II/III bombers

Which of these models are the Orion decals best suited for at this time, if any? I was a liitle confused by the enclosed list of Staaken planes and the descriptions of whether they were covered in pre-printed or painted fabrics. Of course, the lozenge decals (colors and patterns) in the kits also add to the confusion - no surprise there.

Thanks anyone.

[StephenLawson]

Originally Posted by AROTH

I hate to beat this subject to death, but I have a question for any of you experts on the issue of night lozenge. I have just received my Orion Night Lozenge decals and they are indeed the works of art as the rest of you have described. However, I have read this entire thread 4 times and the Orion instruction/description sheet several times, pulled out my Staaken datafile, pulled out my stash of Americal decals, etc., and still for the life of me, cannot figure out which aircraft subject these decals should go on.

I have:
both Roden Staaken models, 27/16 and 52/17
all Roden Gotha models, G.V and G.Va/b
and two Friedrichschafen G.II/III bombers

Which of these models are the Orion decals best suited for at this time, if any? I was a liitle confused by the enclosed list of Staaken planes and the descriptions of whether they were covered in pre-printed or painted fabrics. Of course, the lozenge decals (colors and patterns) in the kits also add to the confusion - no surprise there. Thanks anyone.

Greetings AROTH; No worries here it is from their website.

Originally Posted by StephenLawson

[b]". . .These sheets are designed for all German Night Fighter, Bomber and Reconnaissance Aircraft in service after January 1918. These include Friedrichshafen, Gotha, A.E.G., LVG, SSW, Hannover and Albatros built Staaken aircraft. These sheets are also applicable to Staaken 'L' Planes 8202 and 8203. . ."

Projeckt Reisenflugzeug II

Note there are two pages to the url listed above. Eighteen examples of the Zeppelin Staaken R.VI were built by a total of four different contractor’s. The reference below in bold will tell you exactly what airframe by serial was built by what contractor / manufacturer.

References:
Army uniforms of World War One by Mollo & Turner, Blandford Press. 1977.
Color Profiles of World War One Combat Planes by Apostal & Bignozzi, Cresent Pub. 1974.
Cross & Cockade USA Vol. 13, #3, p. 260, 1972.
Cross & Cockade USA Vol. 19, #3, Pp.203, 207-228 , 1978.
Cross & Cockade USA Vol. 20, #3, p. 284, 1979.
Cross & Cockade USA Vol. 24, #3, p. 216, 1983.
German Giants by Haddow & Grosz, Putnam Pub. 1962 & 1988.
German Aircraft of the First World War by Grey & Thetford, 1962.
Project Riesenflugzeug by Rimell, Scale Models, Feb. 1982, Pp.80-84, (Part 1).
Project Riesenflugzeug by Rimell, Scale Models, April 1982, Pp.184-188, (Part 2).
Scale Model Aircraft in Plastic Card by Harry Woodman, M&A Pub. Argus Ltd, 1975.
The German Army 1914-1918 by Fosten, Marrion & Embleton, Osprey Pub. 1981.
The Nachrichtenblatt der Luftstreitkrafte, Office of the General of the Kogenluft, bi-weekly news reports for the months of April-May 1918.
World War One in Plastic by Brad Hansen, Great Auk Pub. 1979.

Don't forget the Datafile on the subject.

[AROTH]

Hello, Mr. Lawson,

Earlier in this thread, you posted some pictures of a Staaken wing using Orion's new night lozenge decals. Was that wing from Roden's early Schutte-Lanz R.VI 27/16?

Thanks.

[StephenLawson]

Actually that was an old 1/72 Contrail Zep Staaken R.VI Vacuform kit. In my original build I discarded all of the underside sections for flat sheet plastic.

One more on line thread on the subject and Staaken differences is Here.

[Derry]

Hi Matt!

I know, I know! But I HAVE to get the lozenge out first.

As a matter of fact I'm working on some interesting Soviet Patriotic slogans on R-1's right now in the shop on a warm rainy Sunday morning in Toronto! Rather peaceful with Classical music in the background! It's too slick!

It appears I'm going have to do these the old way on transparencies and let Vickie layer them as she sees fit. I'll send you some gif's of the artwork when I'm close to completion.

Thanks for writing!

Derry