Lozenge decal test it for all

[MerlinV]

Here is a shot of the Lower after Application. Note that the decal is not fully set yet and I have to do some tidying up around the access panels.



I have a feeling that in some instances, I would be better off with a plain old Ink Jet printer... There have been some prints that just did not work out.

Cheers,

Hugh

[NC_Rotorhead]

SCMc (Steve),

I borrowed your "bottom lozenge" (above), built my own "top lozenge" from the pattern posted earlier. Ran mine through photoshop to give it a linen look. The bottom right hand corner is a further photoshopped "top lozenge" to depict the reverse side for interior use.

I really like Steve's "bottom version". My "top version" might be too light, but it would get weathered anyway.



Blast away at it.

This thread is a real education...................

Regards
Another Steve

[Doug Baumann]

HI NC ROTOHEAD i like your inside color very well that is what i was thanking of !!!! i seen a photo on some web site of a fokker DVIII, it is in ITALY, of its cockpit with 4 color loz bleed through and it like yours some what but i can find it good job STEVE Doug

[SCMc]

Hi Steve,

You have a small problem between the middle yellowish pentagon and the lavender hexagon to its left. This is not a problem in the lowest one, so you may be able to copy and paste it above.

Your back side of the fabric looks about the way I would expect, other than not being flipped. Gary Sewall posted pictures of his original fabric which show features that I would not have expected:

1. The overlap areas are more prominent. This does make sense, since there would have been more solvent in those areas allowing colors to bleed through and mix more readily.
2. The very dark blue-green is missing. For some reason it did not bleed through.

This is a single sample, but it is all we have so far, and should use it as a guide. The colors may have changed due to time and exposure to sunlight, but the basic characteristics should be the same.

Steve Mc

[Doug Baumann]

Thank you SCMc for the lower color this will help ALOT ! but i noticed that the new lozenge prints made from the old German rollers { i read in WWI AERO that they found the old rollers in back of the old fabric mill was used to print the new lozenge i am not sure???but i thank that it is true}on new type of fabric of same thread count and weave but deferent fabric make up takes the dye more readily then the old fabric lozenge.the old lozenge is loosely dyed that i have seen in photos and the cover of WWI AERO NUMBER 129 AUG 1990 may be it is because i am not seeing the new stuff up close??? or is it age?? { the lozenge not me}what do you thank ?? here is the problem no one has seen the old loz when it was new and weeks in to service how much doze it fade or darken in its short life with all of its dopes and sealers of the day? museums want to preserve there aircraft and used modern materials with like quality and fire proofing so how close can we get??we seen old loz with dope its dark and we seen vergin loz no dope its light and there is the new vibrant and solid looking, i know a time machine!!! i will get to work on one right a way.. lol lol sorry just thanking out load Doug

[Doug Baumann]

THANKS MERLIN V its nice to see some one using the decal and thanks for testing it i hope you like it?? hows your wood decals going?? and just how many ALBATROS do you have lol lol ?? Doug

[SCMc]

Hi Doug,

Besides the issues that you raise, there is also a question of the photos that we use. Whether electronic, or in print, the accuracy can be affected by a number of factors, such as lighting and color sensitivity of the film or sensor. Unless corrections are made, each addtional step, such as printing or saving the image as a jpg can introduce additional errors. We are left with doing the best that we can with what we have available.

I do not in any way guarantee that the colors that I used are correct, but I think that they are reasonable. If you compare them to the photo of original fabric "stored in ideal conditions" posted earlier by Hans, you will see that they are close. The biggest difference is the lavender, which is darker and more saturated.

Any changes I made from the color sampled from Hans' Photo were the result of mixing the original fabric colors with those of the Australian War Memorial. As you noted, there may be reasons why these are not correct, but if you look at their "Albatros Fabric Research" page, you can see the new fabric compared to original fabric from the same plane from areas less exposed to sunlight. It appears to me that their colors are also reasonable. If there was a big difference, I stayed closer to the original fabric.

How the fabric looked in the field is a whole different question. How much did the fabric faded in two weeks or a month? How much did the dope and or varnish yellow in that time? I have no idea. I would guess that the lower fabric would be less susceptible to these effects, because of less exposure to direct sunlight, but I could be wrong.

In all of this, I do not claim any expertise. I am learning just like everyone else here.

Steve Mc

[NC_Rotorhead]

Hello SCMc (Steve),

Your absolutely correct on my not reversing the "linen" before I did the interior view. Wasn't thinking there..........

The "bad spot" between the yellow and lavendar areas.......correct. My excuse is I "built" my pattern quickly to see if i could come up with something plausible. That bad spot was in the attaching it's matting copied pattern. Fixable. No excuse.........

Good reference Aussie site of their recovering project. Thanks for that.

Overlap.........I see that as "overdone" a lot. Looking at examples I don't "see' the really dark margin in the real linen examples that I see in decal examples. In photoshop one can always enlarge the color layers and decrease opacity to simulate some of that overlap. Might try that today. That would get rid of my "bad spot".

Regards
Another Steve

[SCMc]

Hi Steve,

Concerning the overlap, you are right about it not being distinct on the front side. There it is very subtle, but the back side of Gary's upper 5 color fabric (right side of the middle picture) shows it being distinct. On the other hand, the back side of Sheppo's lower 5 color fabric(second picture) does not show the same effect. It would be great if we had more samples to work from.

Steve Mc

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