Lozenge decal test it for all

[Doug Baumann]

"wow" thanks odybvig thanks !!!!

[Doug Baumann]

tell me if the test 1and 2 is close plz the color from Australia NEXT is the German colors used on the halbs!! correct me if i am wrong, it look as if there are two lower colors both are right!i thank ,one is more vibrant{german}and is lighter{ Aussie} is this right????I need help here

[Dan_San_Abbott]

SCMc:
The five color printed fabric standard fabric width is 1350mm + or -10mm.
The printing roller width was probably 1400mm. The problem then arises as all manufactures did not use the same width fabric. For example, Albatros used 1300mm wide fabric. This is common on the Albatros D.III and D.V aircraft as well as their printed fabric used on the D.V and D.Va as well as the D.VII.
The four color printed fabric standard width was 1300 mm + or -10mm.
You can very accurately determine the fabric width from precise location of seams between the ribs.
In the case of the fabric developed by the museum people in Germany for the Halb.Cl.IV, they increased the printed width to 1400mm and faked the pattern on one side. The fabric used was wider still, so in the end the pattern did not go from selvage edge to selvage edge.
Blue skies,
Dan-San

[Flug Werke]

???
[Edit, Seemed to come out of left field. Thanks SCMc
FWIW, fabric is applied pretty taut even before dope is applied.]

For me, underside pattern test 2 is better. The stain glassing effect is more subtle. There are traps on the edge of the lozenges to be sure, but they don't look like a thick black outline, more a darkening where two dye applications overlap. Number 2 is much more on the money.

[schwartzfalken]

This was a great idea. I really enjoyed the whole process of watching as the design evolved to an agreeable finished product. I am voting to do the same with the four color lozenge fabric. I can't wait to see Dan's input on that one as there seems to be some conflicting views on actual colors (judging by the pictures in the gallery).
Anybody with me on this one?

[SCMc]

Hi Andrew (Flug Werke),

Dan_San's comments were addressed to me regarding a post I made trying to calculate the width between seams (not the actual fabric width) based on pictures of Gary Sewall's fabric. I think that Dan_San is following the best practice when he states the uncertainty as ±10 mm. I did not do it with my calculations because I was to lazy to calculate it.

Hi Dan_San,

A fabric width of 1300 mm (Albatros) with 15 mm lost in each seam would be 1270 mm. This is about what I calculated for the distance between seams on the wing, but it does not allow for any shrinkage from the dope. Were coverings a close fit even before they were doped, or were they made a certain pecent oversize.

In a previous thread Gary Sewall said that the cross on his fabric was OAW style (4:5). Would you agree that the fabric was from an OAW Fok. D.VII? If so, presumably the fabric would be wider than 1300 mm.

Steve

[Dan_San_Abbott]

Gary:
The 4:5 cross was a directive dated 13 May 1918. This change from the preceding balken cross to the 4:5 cross was ordered by IDFlieg. This cross form was applicable to the entire aircraft industry and all the field units. The dimensions specified that the horizontal arm be 4/5 of the vertical arm. the width of the arm was to be 1/8 of the vertical for both arms. The width of the right angle borders to be 1/4 the width of the arm. This 4:5 ratio form did not last very long, on 4 June 1918 IdFlieg sent out another directive changing the form from the 4: 5 ratio to 1:1 ratio on the arms length. All other characteristics remained the same.
When this 4:5 ratio was directed on 13 May 1918, the balken crosses had 150 mm wide white borders. The field units responded with a wide variety of interpretations of the directive, very few conformed precisely to the directive.
Those aircraft with painted camouflages could make the change fairly easy, however, those with printed fabric coverings, required over painting the white 150 mm borders with 100 mm wide grey areas.
Blue skies,
Dan-San

[Doug Baumann]

HI and thanks Dan for your help in this matter! some questions did the pattern changed with the fabric widths ? if not we are ok and was the rib tapes painted after they were applyed or were they dyed fabric?? if they were dyed fabric witch colors did they match{ i am not talking about the lozenge tapes} i just dont know .. but if panted would they have to been painted after they were applyed because of cracking of the paint??

[Doug Baumann]

hi FLUG WERKE thanks for your help glad to see you posted this do you and the rest thank this is right for the Canberra lozenge doze it look or have the right feel, you know the top color has a blue green feel to it ..what doze the bottom look like from a distance ??

[Doug Baumann]

Schartzfalken thanks for the post i have enjoyed it also and it has been a lession for me !!! Doug