Lozenge decal test it for all

[Doug Baumann]

SCMc you have been a big help with this so far i used all of your lozenge pic for this do you have 4 color??upper?? lower??? lol by the way the NASM says the bolt widths as 50" and 54" but for the 50"inch material the outer 2" the overall design was deleted .. that funny now its narrower 46"???any way we need the proper width for scaling it what do you guys thank of this??

[Doug Baumann]

at the same time i am going to post the German lower 5 color lozenge SOON Doug

[womenfly2]

Dan-San; EDITED: Those aircraft with painted camouflages could make the change fairly easy, however, those with printed fabric coverings, required over painting the white 150 mm borders with 100 mm wide grey areas.

This is very interesting that the white borders of the balken cross would be over painted with the color Gray (Grey) on the lozenge fabric to comply with the directive. This is one of those small details that modelers would miss doing or even know about.

Great info Dan.

WF2

[SCMc]

Hi Doug,

I don't have much on the 4 color fabric. Mark Miller has this page.

Perhaps Hans or someone will present us with another gem.

The seam on gary's fabric is about 7/16" (11 mm) wide. If 2" (51 mm) on each side were taken up in the seams, there would be about 10 layers of fabric in the seams. This does not seem reasonable to me. The other option is that some of it was cut off. This may have been done in some places to keep the seams between the ribs, but I think that they would have avoided it as a waste of both material and labor.

Steve

[Doug Baumann]

hay steve i have this and a swatch of night loz on the old hard drive i new it would be to good to be true that you would have it lol i had not a thing on the 4 color but written descriptions of colors

[Doug Baumann]

Hi womenfly thanks for the info my self i dont use white i use gullgray or is that gullgrey lol lol white is to over scale i thank .but Dan didnt say what shade of gray to use??? did he.. i thank its gullgray or gullgrey

[Flug Werke]

Originally Posted by Doug Baumann

hi FLUG WERKE thanks for your help glad to see you posted this do you and the rest thank this is right for the Canberra lozenge doze it look or have the right feel, you know the top color has a blue green feel to it ..what doze the bottom look like from a distance ??

Doug, to my eye the version you've done the trace of on post 142 is pretty much on the money. I'm not sure how photoshop deals with it if you have colours simply overlapping as opposed to tracing a line in black. Where you've left the lines they still come across as being a touch too prominent. The lines should definitely be there and are typically around 4 to 9mm in width on the samples I've personally viewed, but the overlap zones aren't black, just noticeably darker than either colour in its own right.

As far as ageing is concerned, it's worth bearing in mind how rapid the turnover of aircraft probably was. When you look at the expected combat lifespan of a pilot (one who makes it through the first 2 weeks learning curve), you'd have to believe that they'd wear out a few aircraft during their career. Technology is also rapidly advancing and the bar is continually being raised performance wise. Even the most long lived aircraft are unlikely to be exposed to the elements more than 6 months I'd guess. Dan probably has some data kicking about regarding how long the well known and long lived aces were flying particular serial number aircraft before they were issued a replacement. Suffice it to say that I doubt the duration of exposure would have been enough to cause massive fading. Some, sure, but lots? I'm less convinced.

That said, I was very interested to see the sample of topside fabric posted up by odybvig in post 160. Looking at the fading of the purple lozenge down to a pale pink again makes me wonder about the "salmon" tapes being observed on samples... It seems like fairly stout evidence that even a fairly stout shade of purple tape can fade off to the salmon ballpark of the spectrum.

Regarding what the lower fabric looks like from a distance: In the same way as the main prominent feature of the topside fabric is the dark (almost black) blue lozenges with the rest of the print being tonally pretty even, the yellow lozenges on the lowerside fabric seem to be the most prominent feature. Tonally the rest of the pattern is fairly well balanced in intensity whereas the yellow lozenges are noticeably lighter in tone.

Now the tricky bit: Given that many of the B&W shots of the era are on ortho film which skews red and yellow tones heavily towards black, exactly how underside 5 colour lozenge would look tonally in a photo I'm really not sure. In real life at close range (20 metres or so) the yellows are very obvioulsly the lightest of the pack. Not having access to anything flying with underside lozenge visible, I'm hard pressed to tell you what it looks like from a distance.

Lozenge seems to work when viewed at extreme distances and with something interesting going on in the eye brain that is probably best explained by an art lecturer well versed in the mechanics of pointilism such as the work of Georges Seurat. Suffice it to say that on a small static scale model plane, if viewed at anything closer than 5 metres, I suspect the effect will be that of nearfield viewing of lozenge, not the blending effect of farfield viewing...

Large scale flying models and full size airworthies it does seem to do its job. I've been told by a European replica vintage aero builder that getting good photos of one of the lozenge covered aircraft in their collection when it's airborne is nigh on impossible. Seems like the stuff does work...

[Doug Baumann]

Flug Werke i will try to lessen the tracings i tried ounce i will try again i know the overlap is really two colors blended to make one color of a deferent color of the two.. the problem is what color doze it make??? bluegreen and purple makes a brownish what??? i dont know, i need to see it close very close and your right about the life span of WWI aircraft there are some who had a long life in combat like the ALBATROS DIIIs recovered in lozenge such as LT. FRANZ RAY CO. OF JASTA 49 IN MAY 1918 BUT I dought that he flew this aircraft that much with hour checks and recovering of the wings he had to fly other air craft i would thinkoh by the whey my tracings is lozenge on the hybrid lozenge but darkened!

[SCMc]

Hi Doug,

What I did on my lower pattern was select the area right around the edges (only 2-3 pixels wide). I then softened the selection to blend the colors and darkened it slightly. I selected a slightly wider area (4-5 pixels wide) and softened it again to avoid hard edges. This was easier for me, because I was working in 1/24 at 300 dpi. Doing the same thing in a smaller scale or lower resolution would be too wide. (Note: While closer, my overlaps are also out of scale, because it seemed that that is what people wanted.)

Another option is to average the two polygons on either side of the edge, darken it slightly, then draw along the edge using that color. An antialiased line could give a reasonable effect, but it wil take some experimentation.

Steve Mc

[Doug Baumann]

HI SCMc thanks for the tips i tried to do some of it but to high light every edge would would take hours i am trying something now i have not given up yet thanks again ... what did you thank of the first lower color lozenge test 2??? from AUSTRALIAS DVa