Lozenge decal test it for all

[Doug Baumann]

well i have been busy !!dose any one have a photo of the summer leaf i know it is painted but it sounds neat to have ......Doug

[FOKKERJ]

Hi Doug,

Unfortunately not anything new on the helix. We need good fotografs showing both sides of a particular machine and or the top of the fuselage. It could be up to the builder/modeler or Artist at this point. I have seen conflicting fotos of this phenom. The most entertaining work will be getting any pattern, helical or chevron to meet and mix at the top center of the fuselage, especially with all of the busy contours on the top aft fuselage. It looks like some hand painting might come into play. I believe that from what I have observed, the hex in this area are accomendated by different sizes to take care of this problem. It's called Improvisation!

I don't have the great books or a DATA FILE, just an old Profile Publication on the Aviatik D.I and an article in C&C. I'm at a loss here. I do have a couple of books on my "Wish List", but watch the availability come and go on them.

I guess you just proceed and let people make up their own mind on this application, since your main objective has been to make these patterns available. It's up to the individual whether to apply at Zero Degrees, 30 left or 30 right slant, helical or chevron. I personally will use the helical pattern 'til proved wrong.

Best Wishes, Jay

P.S. I am throwing this in the Thread discussion as i feel it's important and may generate some answers

[Doug Baumann]

your right it is up to the modeler and the aircraft he or she is doing i would really like to know most likely it is both ways helex or chevron !! i seen a photo of a factory floor there were two rows of aircraft one face left one face right one slanted left on the left the other slanted right all were Bergs so the chevron looks like the winner from that factory or at least that batch Doug

[Doug Baumann]

further note ... i thank the hex were layed out on the top first that would help with the pattern i thank what dose every one thank of this ?? better yet dose any one know??? .... Doug

[FOKKERJ]

Originally Posted by Doug Baumann

your right it is up to the modeler and the aircraft he or she is doing : D i would really like to know most likely it is both ways helex or chevron !! i seen a photo of a factory floor there were two rows of aircraft one face left one face right one slanted left on the left the other slanted right all were Bergs so the chevron looks like the winner from that factory or at least that batch Doug

Yes, I have seen this foto also and it is the one that really threw a monkey wrench in my works!

I was thinking about this very foto after my earlier Post and wanted to get back with you, as I came to the same conclusion, but you beat me to it.... So here I am (hours later)!


This has brought me to the possibility that different Manufacturers may have applied these Hex differently!

Helical or Chevron style , depending on the Builder.... It almost makes too much sense!

Besides great minds thinking alike.... What do you think?

All too often we blindly assume that it has to be either or!

What would Huberlu think?

[Doug Baumann]

HI JAY!! it might be the a case of,, Just paint the dam airplane Fritz it's not the MONALISA !! WORK FASTER I DON'T CARE WERE YOU BUT THE LAST HEXES JUST PAINT THE THING !!! the factory Foreman said !! that was fun said Doug!! lol lol ,, you never know.all we know is some factory used flaten hexs and small hex { this almost looks like lozenge} and some bent out of shape so it could be that some factorys used a helix and others used chevrons. all were hand painted i thank with a stencel and a stencel brush, but i don't know ! but were the hex meats up were the fuselage joins the turtle deck some free handing went on, i seen this in a photo! really i thank they laded out the the pattern first { saw tooth pattern} with a stencel and a pencel { hay that rymes} not paint and then they painted the lighter hexs first and then the next light color next and so on and so no , it looks like the darker pattern was first in the factory photo to me, all i could see was the dark pattern. i noted that the darker colors were every were on the fuselage some were at the nose some you could not see at all .. what do think?? Jay or any one

[Doug Baumann]

ok good news the A-H hex is going fine
bad news i was looking through some books on the Gothas and there it was Gotha GV 904/16 Erika just 4 aircraft up from GV 900/16 and Erika has irregular hex's painted on her not hexagons NOW WHAT SHOULD I DO??
i gould only find some hex GV's the rest were {in the photos and book's i have } irregular hexagons
GOOD NEWS with the bad !! i have found many Gotha GIV's with hexagons on them WWI AREO dose not even say any thing about G IV's haveing hex's!! i will look over my stuff again .. dose any one have photos of the Gotha GV's 900/16 through i beleve G976/16?? .. a very sad doug

[Doug Baumann]

OK here is what i have found out by looking at photos only.. the GIV's had hexs there is no mention of this in WWI AERO wrote buy Dan the only GIV i could get the numbers were GIV1055/16 and it had hex the A-H Gotha GIV's had hex also .. the only GV i could find with hex was one that crashed on Dec 4 1917 and it had very large hex's on the top wing pretty close to 3 feet across the flats or less then on meter, no G numbers to go off from in fact i don't even know if it is a GV i can see only the wings and the tail it might be a GIV the photo says it a GV.. what i was looking for was Gotha numbers of the aircraft that i have color codes for or close to them ,, they are GOTHA GV 900, 925,938,976 /16
What i found was Gotha GV 904/16 ERIKA , GV 947/16 KZ , GV 901/16, all have irregular hex's no hexs !! the only thing i don't know about is defiant manufactures might have there own style but i think all that were listed wre Gotha made i realy don't know WHAT DO YOU KNOW!! HELP PLEASE !! Doug