EDuard Christmas offering 2008.

[davecww1]

In Greg van Wyngarden's book on early German aces of World War 1 it says that it is black, the combination of thin paint and the light causes it to look lighter than the oily fuselage linen. Not sure what to think, what color do you think it would be Dan?
Dave

[Dan_San_Abbott]

daveccw1:
Ernst Udet was a Bavarin, he was not German in that sense of thhe word.
Baviarian colors are light blue and white. What makes you think the fabric was oily?
Blue skies,
Dan-San

[davecww1]

Hi Dan,
I was assuming it was oily fabric in this photo, since the fabric behind the cowl has very dark and also lighter spots, and the upper wing fabric between the fuselage and first rib is the same color. Not the clear doped linen color of the rest of the wing, and can't be shadows since the cowl & step on the wing are bright.
Dave

[josef scott]

Gents,

Although I understand Greg's reasoning for a grey sash, I am more inclined to go with Dan-San's interpretation of the colour. Fokker was not applying fuse crosses at the factory when this machine was produced. I would think the sash and the fuselage cross would have been painted on at the same time, or, if the sash was intended to be black, at least with the same paint. They do not look to be the same tone to me.

BTW, the photo Dave posted is a Fokker E.I. There is no gas tank behind the cockpit, and the drift wires for the upper pylon and wing attach to a common lug on the upper longeron which protrudes from a single hole in the nose panels, just aft of the rear edge of the cowling. On the E.II and E.III, the wires must pass through separate holes in the raised nose panels to attach to the same lug. A good reproduction of the photo also reveals the smaller cowling used on E.I's which has 3 pins holding it in position as opposed to the 4 pins used on the larger E.II/E.III cowling.

Greg's book has a photo of E.III 105/15 from the port side showing the same sash, only considerably further forward on the fuselage on that aircraft. As Dan-San has previously noted, although designated an E.III, 105/15 would have retained the outward appearance of an E.II, with the external ammunition stowage on the starboard of the nose.

[Sreiko]

Iam waiting my sample of Eindecker and withoud doubt will be done in regard to teh research and public release made by Dan San. As I know they have in early '90 kit of this plane but this is entirely new tooling. Kit which will make me happy after that will be Fw190D and I have provide bulk of my archive material for this kit.

Cheers

P.S. Stephen, you always make us happy with great info and news

[Ross_Moorhouse]

Sprue shots of the E-III from Telford.

[davecww1]

Looks nice. 2 sets of wings for E.II or E.III? Were all other parts the same?
Dave

[dak66]

Do you have anymore picture from Telford ?
As far as udets Fokker Eindecker i'm inclined to say that it was a Black stripe and not Sky Blue i would go with Red before i would say it was Sky Blue.
My reasoning behind that is look at all of Udet's planes almost all of them had Red as a predominant color after he flew the Eindecker that says to me that it was a favored color of his .

[davecww1]

well according to Greg van Wyngarden, this band was the unit marking, not Udet's personal marking, so makes no difference that he was Bavarian or not the unit marking was black. If it was not a personal marking then there would be no reason to have a red or blue band, only the unit color black as painted on all of the other E.I-E-III's photographed in his unit.
Dave

[dak66]

Originally Posted by davecww1

well according to Greg van Wyngarden, this band was the unit marking, not Udet's personal marking, so makes no difference that he was Bavarian or not the unit marking was black. If it was not a personal marking then there would be no reason to have a red or blue band, only the unit color black as painted on all of the other E.I-E-III's photographed in his unit.
Dave

From the picture i would say it is a very faded Black compared to the cross next to it or it could very well be Red