Eindecker E.II and E.III from Eduard

[Sreiko]

Some images...

Eduard releases

I start work on my sample.

[TeamStewart]

Didn't they experiment with some covered in "saran wrap" to try and make them invisible?

That would make an interesting challenge.

[flypaper]

Eisernes Kreuz und Balken Kreuz by H. Nowarra, Hoffmann Pub. 1968.

More holes in it then a cheese grater.

[Rowan Broadbent]

Originally Posted by flypaper

Eisernes Kreuz und Balken Kreuz by H. Nowarra, Hoffmann Pub. 1968.

More holes in it then a cheese grater.

That was helpful.

[Sreiko]

Where to get that old book?

[flypaper]

Originally Posted by Rowan Broadbent

That was helpful.

If you expected a full blown review, sorry......its not worth (the book) my time.

[Rowan Broadbent]

Originally Posted by Sreiko

Where to get that old book?

I have a copy and for its time (September 1967!) it was pretty ground-breaking. More recent research has raised questions about some of its content but Heinz Nowarra was able to speak to many surviving pilots. I would not dismiss it as cavalierly as some "experts" seem to want to do.

The grey/green colouring of Fokker EIIIs is mentioned as a photo caption and shown in the colour plates in the book. Right or wrong? A quick look at a selection of Fokker eindecker photos show a dark overall tone on many aircraft - certainly not clear doped fabric - unless the fabric itself was a dark colour. And I doubt that it has much to do with ortho-type film colour sensitivity. I had believed that the reputed green colour of the Austro-Hungarian AIIIs (as proposed by Dr Martin O'Connor) was an indication of the colour that many German eindeckers could have worn - until the source of that colour info was discounted (I think Rodney Gerrard was involved there - others will certainly know more).

I don't think the Fokker EII/III colour question is going to go away anytime soon, unless some hitherto undiscovered evidence comes to light. I have not read anything which absolutely precludes grey or green overpainting - apart from individual opinions - and we all know that confusing opinions with facts is the route to argument. And speaking of which, I don't want to argue with anyone over this! I have an opinion that at least some German EII/IIIs were painted a shade of grey or green - but no proof apart from the apparent colour seen in photos and a caption in an old book............

[StephenLawson]

Originally Posted by TeamStewart

Didn't they experiment with some covered in "saran wrap" to try and make them invisible? That would make an interesting challenge.

It was also called "Cellon." There were a couple of write ups in one of the old Cross & Cockade USA journals on this and other experiments. I have seen a 1/72 Revell kit done this way for a factory diorama.

[Sreiko]

Rowan- no worry about argue with any of us. Simply green color was among the few dopes for fabric available in that time. Also we can not be sure even in the sample of preserved fabric as well this is too old material and paint in that time was extreme sensitive and unstable. One shade in the moment have evolution to another shade and tone in just few weeks! And imageine what you have after few decades!

All right- I will consider some tan green shade for Eindecker. And Nowarra is for sure good expert. i have some material in my collection which coming from his personal collection. He have some 100 thousand of images.

Cheers

[StephenLawson]

H. Nowarra was truely a friend to WWI historians. Mistaken with some information just like all of us at times. But Heinz was a true devotee, enthusiast and steely eyed research fiend. God rest him.