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28 June 2008, 09:40 AM
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28 June 2008, 09:54 AM
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Two-seater Pilot
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Location: Eugene, Oregon USA
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Got it. Great reference shot of Hawker. Thanks so much!
Ricardo will be so happy. 
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28 June 2008, 10:10 AM
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Have Goggles Will Travel!
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Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: USA
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Originally Posted by backusstudio
How's the writing coming? Ready for Oshkosh?
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writing is still taking a backseat for now and reformatting my slide show(s) for oshkosh is going to consume most of the hours of july. thx for asking.
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28 June 2008, 10:51 AM
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Scout Pilot
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Location: Naples, FL
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Just a (hopefully not too boring) FYI: Should Hawker have been bundled? You bet.
Very simply, Adiabtic Lapse Rate is a change in temperature based on pressure. The higher one ascends the less the pressure and thus the less the temperature. Dry air cools faster than moist, but the average--the standard lapse rate--is 3.5 degrees F (about 2 degrees C) per 1,000 feet.
Thus, if it is 50 degrees F (10 degrees C) at takeoff, it will be 15 degrees F (-9.5 degrees C) at 10,000 feet. (Standard lapse rate of 3.5 degrees/1,000' X 10, subtracted from 50). Even if 80 degrees F (26.6 degrees C) at takeoff it will be 45 degrees (7.2 degrees C) at 10,000 feet.
That's the standard. If the air is dry--such as during winter--the lapse rate is 5 degrees F per 1,000 feet. Thus, 30 degrees F at takeoff will become -20 degrees F (about -30 C) at 10,000 feet.
Although the windscreen offered some protection the wind was still a factor, and D.H.2 pilots had no warmth from the engine at all. Sitting idle in a 15 degree airplane without being bundled gets one damn cold! Even 45 degrees starts to chill a person--when it's 45 outside, drive around for an hour and a half at 80 mph with the heat off, windows down and without wearing a coat. It'll get old real fast. So, yes, pilots had to dress warmly year round.
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Jim Miller
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28 June 2008, 11:37 AM
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Two-seater Pilot
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Lisboa
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Originally Posted by backusstudio
Got it. Great reference shot of Hawker. Thanks so much!
Ricardo will be so happy. 
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eheh,  but I'm more happy to see the excitement and good comradeship that exists around here 
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28 June 2008, 10:37 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: La Jolla, California
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Animation
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Originally Posted by Stephanie
see you at the mess!
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At this point, you need to serve something in the Mess. I will post a Poppy Seed Cake recipe in the off topic section. The virtues of the recipe are many: 1. It's easy.
2. Cheap to make.
3. Just about everyone likes it.
4. It is the toast of three continents.
5. It makes central and eastern Europeans wax nostalgic.
6. You can make it dairy free for those who keep kosher, or want to avoid dairy products.
7. It makes fabulous Christmas and Chanukah gifts.
8.It's a nice addition to a potluck, or something to take to a bereved family.
Jenny
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29 June 2008, 03:43 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2008
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G'Day from NZ.
I'm a newbie here.  This is an amazing project. I can't wait to see the finished article. Keep it up!
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29 June 2008, 08:51 AM
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Two-seater Pilot
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Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Eugene, Oregon USA
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Originally Posted by Mad Mac
G'Day from NZ.
I'm a newbie here.  This is an amazing project. I can't wait to see the finished article. Keep it up!
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G'day Mate! Great to have another Kiwi on board. Thanks for the words of encouragement. Stay tuned. The best is coming. 
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29 June 2008, 09:42 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Santander, Spain
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Quote:
Originally Posted by backusstudio
The DH2 with human pilot aboard. I'll add a thin mustache and a few other details to make it look more like Hawker.
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I've just checked the DH2 Datafile and found a pair of small details that could make your model even better. Looks like all DH2s came from factory with all struts and tail booms painted light gray, and the PC10 finish was applied at squadron level, so probably these parts would still keep the factory finish. Also the gravity tank on the top wing looks more teardrop shaped in the Datafile plans and has the filler cap in the front section.
Also the wires running from the bottom of the fuselage to the top of the inner struts and those running from the bottom of the inner struts to the top of the outer ones were double. And where the wires crossed there was a piece of reinforcement that's easily spotted on any picture. Check the Datafile or the excellent pictures of a replica DH2 here:
Airco DH 2: 7855
And one more time greetings for your atention to detail. Can't wait to see these birds move!
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29 June 2008, 01:30 PM
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Two-seater Pilot
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Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Eugene, Oregon USA
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Here is the revised Hawker character based on the information from dglewwe. Thanks Jim, for convincing me beyond my ability to comprehend that Hawker was in his winter flying equipment.
Beto, I think I understand your detail corrections. Now that I have Hawker all cozy in his fur coat I'll take a look at those bits. Thanks for the discerning eye.
The rotary engine and prop will of course be turning in the animation. It's all part of the process.
I appreciate all of the information and encouragement.
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Last edited by backusstudio; 29 June 2008 at 02:39 PM.
Reason: clarity
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