Red Baron Goofs

[CivvyCivvy]

Well this film was shown on British TV the other day and I made the mistake of recording it. "Flyboys" with maltese crosses. I think the only bit they got right, was to show him flying an Albatros and Dr1. Won't rant on about this appalling piece of cinema, as it has been so ably covered on this an other threads.

[gschmidt]

Originally Posted by bristol scout

Like a bit of 'country' myself, and the missus absolutely dotes on it---and Elvis singing, well, anything--but especially religious songs....strange as I am not 'religious' at all.


But I know nice songs and a great singer when I hear them

Dave. PS The Ken Burns masterpiece should be mandatory in school curriculums in the US---and in All western democracies.

Here here, about that. Their tiny little heads should be placed in a vice and their cell phones taken away and made to watch.

On the country music, my favorites are by The Zac Brown Band, Lady Antabelum, Brad Paisley. And my most favorite is a duet by Willy Nelson and someone I can't remember right know, But the name is "Beer for my horses"

Gary PS Dave did you get my last PM from the other day?

[gschmidt]

Originally Posted by Barry Hickson

G'day Gary & Dave!
great to know that quite a few (besides you two) WW1 Aero fans like Country Music. I would be lost without it!
Waylon Jennings, Garth Brooks, Merle Haggard etc etc plus Ian Tyson.
Must admit I also like some Classical, Ambient & John Fogerty (Credence Clearwater Revival)

P.S. Most interesting info on the Medical side of the various Wars!

I just heard on NPR radio yesterday that they are still learning new techniques for our troops in Iraq and Afganistan. Warmer OR suits( 100 F) to keep the injured/wounded patients body temp up after losing lots of blood and using more whole blood on transfusions.

Gary PS No I'm not a NPR liber !

[Scorpiounbound]

Hi all

Bristol Scout Dave, I've just found a nice little anecdote that you might like although I expect you have seen it before.

A wounded Irish soldier was relating his remarkable frontline adventures to a party of lady visitors at a base hospital. He vividly retold of the fight in which he knocked out 17 Huns and a machine gun 'wid me wan hand along, begod'.
'That's the end of the shtory lidies', he said. 'The surgeons took me and laid me for all as though I was dead in the ammunition wagon'.
'One of the women said, 'You mean an ambulance wagon or (sic) course, not an ammunition wagon'.
'Sorra a bit', he said sadly. 'Shure, I was so filled with bullets they decided I ought to go in the ammunition wagon'.

Taken from John Laffin, 'On the Western Front. Soldiers' stories from France and Flanders 1914-1918' Alan Sutton 1986 (p160).

Written as printed with apologies to any Irish members

Regards
John

[Barry Hickson]

Originally Posted by Scorpiounbound

Hi all

Bristol Scout Dave, I've just found a nice little anecdote that you might like although I expect you have seen it before.

A wounded Irish soldier was relating his remarkable frontline adventures to a party of lady visitors at a base hospital. He vividly retold of the fight in which he knocked out 17 Huns and a machine gun 'wid me wan hand along, begod'.
'That's the end of the shtory lidies', he said. 'The surgeons took me and laid me for all as though I was dead in the ammunition wagon'.
'One of the women said, 'You mean an ambulance wagon or (sic) course, not an ammunition wagon'.
'Sorra a bit', he said sadly. 'Shure, I was so filled with bullets they decided I ought to go in the ammunition wagon'.

Taken from John Laffin, 'On the Western Front. Soldiers' stories from France and Flanders 1914-1918' Alan Sutton 1986 (p160).

Written as printed with apologies to any Irish members

Regards
John

Only the Irish could come up with a comment like that under those circumstances!
(thinks:---Well maybe a Scot or an Aussie as well ?)

[Alexandra]

Gentlemen:

I have The Red Baron - I have every World War I aviation movie I can locate and afford. Of course it is silly. Who cares. The delightful German actor playing the lead is worth the price of the DVD - I don't watch such movies for accuracy, I watch them for eye candy, and Matthias S. is certainly that. Incidentally, Joseph F. claims to be an extremely timid flier and Matthias S. is so frightened of flying he commutes between his homes in Paris and Berlin by train.

The interesting part is the political fallout - the movie was pulled from distribution due to the nasty backlash. According to Box Office Mojo, about 9 cinemas carried the film in the U.S. Matthias S. is firm that von Richthofen was a German hero, and that the time has arrived to celebrate such men. Evidently, one of the real Baron's great nephews attended the Berlin showing, where the audience's reaction was more shock at a pro-German war movie than any opinion on its merit.

[DieFeldermaus]

I have to say I have enjoyed this thread. Only here would so many people take the time to nitpick a film as if it were somehow shocking that screenwriters would invent a romantic love interest in a movie! lol

Makes me think of the long, detailed and scathing review some guy wrote about Band of Brothers. For example, they declared as a "disaster" the fact the tiny, toy cricket used by paratroopers to identify themselves in the dark on D-Day wasn't exactly the same as the ones used in 1944 (when you see one on camera for about one second, in the dark.)

I was surprised to hear from several people I know that movie was well worth watching. None of them know anything about the actual history of course. I am sure I will cringe at some of the worst non-historical details, but what I have seen on Youtube makes it seem worth watching at least.

But really, just exactly what WWI movie is historically accurate? Certainly not the Blue Max, even if they did fly actual replicas. Not any of the old black and whites like Dawn Patrol either.

It is too bad they didn't bother to make things a bit more historically accurate in this one, given the technology. But their job is to make a movie. 99.9% of people who see it do not know that Hawker flew a Camel.

Nor would they care if they found out.

It is also too bad that they chose to ignore the flight physics of the era. Everyone looks like they are flying space ships.

Someday someone will make one a bit more accurate. But what I have seen in this so far is MUCH better than Richthofen and Brown or of course Fly Boys.

[LeicesterTiger]

Originally Posted by DieFeldermaus

99.9% of people who see it do not know that Hawker flew a Camel.

Nor would they care if they found out.

They'd have a hard time finding out as he was dead before the first one flew

[Barry Hickson]

Originally Posted by DieFeldermaus

*******Snipped*********

It is too bad they didn't bother to make things a bit more historically accurate in this one, given the technology. But their job is to make a movie. 99.9% of people who see it do not know that Hawker flew a Camel.

Nor would they care if they found out.

Ahhhmmm! Actually Lanoe Hawker was killed flying a DH-2 way before Camels were around.
If he had had a Camel the outcome would very probably been VERY Different!

[tcrean7828]

Originally Posted by DieFeldermaus

I have to say I have enjoyed this thread. Only here would so many people take the time to nitpick a film as if it were somehow shocking that screenwriters would invent a romantic love interest in a movie! lol

Makes me think of the long, detailed and scathing review some guy wrote about Band of Brothers. For example, they declared as a "disaster" the fact the tiny, toy cricket used by paratroopers to identify themselves in the dark on D-Day wasn't exactly the same as the ones used in 1944 (when you see one on camera for about one second, in the dark.)

I was surprised to hear from several people I know that movie was well worth watching. None of them know anything about the actual history of course. I am sure I will cringe at some of the worst non-historical details, but what I have seen on Youtube makes it seem worth watching at least.

But really, just exactly what WWI movie is historically accurate? Certainly not the Blue Max, even if they did fly actual replicas. Not any of the old black and whites like Dawn Patrol either.

It is too bad they didn't bother to make things a bit more historically accurate in this one, given the technology. But their job is to make a movie. 99.9% of people who see it do not know that Hawker flew a Camel.

Nor would they care if they found out.

It is also too bad that they chose to ignore the flight physics of the era. Everyone looks like they are flying space ships.

Someday someone will make one a bit more accurate. But what I have seen in this so far is MUCH better than Richthofen and Brown or of course Fly Boys.

Mate,
Welcome to the flagship of the Aerodrome - where the greatest minds on the planet get together and talk about their favorite subject - WW1.

ttfn

tcrean7828

tom

P.S. Werner Voss fan here.