Breguet's 1919-1939 aircraft ID challenge #83

[Varese2002]

Breguet's 1919-1939 aircraft ID challenge #83

A new one for your attention.

Kees

Scoreboard at the start of #83:

21.50 Varese2002
18.20 richard B
16.20 Dave_Kent
07.30 Rbailey
05.00 YavorD
-------------- above this line, wait 12hrs before answering
03.00 Wind in The Wires
02.50 Froggy
02.50 sobrien
02.00 Lodzermensch
02.00 Sreiko
01.00 Aquilius
01.00 Doc
01.00 joegertler
01.00 Linhawk

Earlier challenges are here :
Breguet's 1919-1939 Aircraft ID Challenge

And ,please, don't forget the rules :
1.The thread title must be "Breguet's 1919 - 1939 Aircraft ID Challenge #......" AND must be placed in the Non-WWI Aviation sub-Forum.
2.The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning of each thread, so that we know where we are. The score board and the correct answer to the challenge must also be placed at end of each thread.
3. The completed aircraft must have been either; designed, built or have left the ground during the '1919-1939 period and be identifiable by the poster.
4.The photo must show the whole aircraft - from whatever angle, or at least 2 views of a 3 view drawing (photo by preference).
5.Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified (always check the list at Aeroplanes 1919 - 1939* -* Breguet's -Aircraft Challenge* -- when in doubt !).
6.If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of an aircraft for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the aircraft is submitted.
7.Once someone has gotten 5 correct answers under their belt they become an ACE. Once they become an ACE they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer.
8.To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
9.The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge.
10.If an ace gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next one. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
11.The final arbiter in relation to questions about the rules is BREGUET

[Dave_Kent]

Very quiet.

Is the top wing an add-on? It looks like the machine could be a monoplane, but has had the top wing added.

Dave

[Varese2002]

It is a quite special wing construction, but not an add-on wing. By the way look for this machine in Europe just after the war.

Kees

[Varese2002]

Dead silence, let's say the machine originates from a flat country at the sea.

Kees

[Rbailey]

Would it something by Spyker? Perhaps a development of the 1919 single seater?

[Varese2002]

Originally Posted by Rbailey

Would it something by Spyker? Perhaps a development of the 1919 single seater?

No Spyker here ......... The firm who made this machine was somewhat out of the picture due to the political favour at that time for the Nederlandsche Vliegtuigen Fabriek (the official name of the 'Fokker' works in Amsterdam then).

The Challenge machine was made in a competition for a new Army trainer, where the Nederlandsche Vliegtuigen Fabriek also entered a model, which ...... won.

Kees

[richard B]

Bonjour

Really an obscure one ,at least outside Nederland .

Has it something to do with this name " PICUS " found in Flight archive ?

holland | air ministry | disposal board | 1919 | 1054 | Flight Archive

Cheers

Richard

[Varese2002]

Originally Posted by richard B

Has it something to do with this name " PICUS " found in Flight archive ?

quote from Flight....while Holland is represented by Fokker, Spyker and Picus.

Mysterious quote of Flight, I have never heard of Picus, it may have existed .. but it has nothing to do with this machine.

Some more information is needed I think

• The firm that built this plane was inaugurated on April 13, 1922
• This specific model contested with the Fokker S.2 trainer, which of course won ....
• Seating arragement of the trainer was side-by-side
• The designer of the machine already figured in a Breguet Challenge before

Kees

[richard B]

At first I believed it could be a Koolhoven bird ,but nuts on the WWWeb

[Varese2002]

Originally Posted by richard B

At first I believed it could be a Koolhoven bird ,but nuts on the WWWeb

This is one of those pictures which are not on the web The firm is somewhere, but when it occurs it is mostly in an abbreviated form ....

Kees