Breguet's 1939-1945 Challenge questions

[Rod_Filan]

Until today, I've never noticed that the 1939-1945 Challenge has 2 extra rules.

12.If Background information (I.E. Unit, Photo Date, Pilot) to the particular subject aircraft is stated to be known by the challenge poster at the beginning of the challenge an additional .25 points will be awarded to the person who correctly posts this information; But it must be stated within 12 hours of the initial identification
13.The restrictions in place on ace's due to rule #6 do not affect rule #1

Now, other than the obvious question of as to why these rules were implemented...

First off, is rule #12 being used? As an example, recently, because I was unaware of rule #12, I short-changed Dave (iirc) of an extra .25 when he identified the "ghost blimp" complete with a detailed summary. I had in fact asked for an expanded answer, so obviously my challenge was to identify not just the blimp as USN airship L-8, but also the circumstances of the pair of photographs presented. Or do I need to go further and state clearly that an additional .25 pts is up for grabs by asking for — I.E. the location. Secondly, how is the limit of 12 hrs from time of identification to be interpreted? Certainly one cannot give further information after the closing scoreboard goes up and the challenge, for all intents and purposes, completed — however, the way the rule is written, hypothetically I could then, and would, fully expect to gain that quarter point if I've responded correctly within the 12 hours. Obviously that would be unreasonable, but why 12 hours? Why not just say that specific additional information required will be rewarded with a quarter-point to the first person correctly doing so. IMO this rule needs to be tightened up or removed altogether.

As for rule #13 ... ... it makes no sense whatsoever.
I take it that this is not the entire rule and at some point was truncated due to a careless cut & paste. Again, this rule needs to be examined and re-written or removed.

Another item I wish to bring up for discussion — that may ruffle some feathers. There appear to be several a/c that one may use in the 1939-1945 challenge that are far more suited to be included in the "between years". I believe we need to either extend the 1919-1939 challenge to include WWII, or change the 1939-1945 challenge to include only a/c built after 1938. Of course, this second suggestion would nessesarily require a/c first built only in 1939 to be disallowed from the 1919-1939 challenge.

Your comments on any of the above would be appreciated.

Cheers
Rod

[Rbailey]

Rule 13 is certainly garbled. Without looking up the original, I would think it should be that rule 7 does not effect rule 12. But on your last point, all of the challenges define the time period in the same way, and clearly allow for overlap in the time periods. Personally, I don't think that is a bad thing.

As for the extra credit for extra information, it is rarely used and perhaps should be revisited.

Ron

[Rod_Filan]

Originally Posted by Rbailey

As for the extra credit for extra information, it is rarely used and perhaps should be revisited.

I took your advise and found the intent of Albatros_Ace in regards to rule #12,

12.If Background information (I.E. Unit,Photo Date, Pilot) to the particular subject aircraft is stated to be known by the challenge poster at the beginning of the challenge an additional .25 points will be awarded to the person who correctly posts this information; But it must be stated within 12 hours of the initial identification

which he conveniently explains in Challenge #001

Originally Posted by Albatros_Ace

Now to the challenge, it is the same format as normal BAIDC's except for the new features I have highlighted in blue below so please be sure to read those as they have modified rules. I will only talk about rule #12 as it is directly (and Intentionally) used in this first challenge. It states that if the posters states that the history of the subject in the photo is known. The first person within 12 hours* of the aircraft ID receives .25 points. I have hopefully chosen an easier subject to help show this feature.

*this can also be on the post Identifying the aircraft

So onto it then,

One point will be awarded to whoever identifies the type of aircraft that are within the green ellipse.

I do know the background information of the two aircraft within the green ellipse in this photo and I will award the .25 extra points to whoever correctly identifies the Unit and Pilot of either (or both) of these aircraft.

On the issue of rule #13, which was originally written thus:

13.The restrictions in place on ace's due to rule #6 do not affect rule #12

Other than the 2 from 12 being accidentally chopped at some point in time, it does appear a typo was made from the very beginning. The reference to "ace's" [sic] tells us he was meaning to write #7, not #6.

The correct language of rule #13 should read:

13.The restrictions in place on ACES due to rule #7 do not affect rule #12

I gather this simply means that all Aces can post additional information immediately following someone else's answer (right or wrong) to try for .25 pts irregardless of rule #7.

Btw, I don't believe Chris has been around here since December of last year (or he's forgotten he's running a Challenge) and attempts to contact him earlier this year by myself in matters of the agreement we made concerning responsibilities of enumerating the Breguet's 1939-1945 Aircraft ID Challenge were unsuccessful.

Therefore, in light of the above, I invoke rule #11.

11. The final arbiter in relation to questions about the rules is Breguet

Cheers
Rod

[Breguet]

My ruling is to drop 12 & 13 - in the interests of conformity if nothing else.