Rhinebeck Museum trouble - Page 100

tazbat · 3 September 2004, 08:57 PM

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Originally posted by EricGoedkoop@Sep 3 2004, 10:00 PM
[b]... the Board's goal is - or maybe always was - to fix what they see as a financial crisis.

The last few days have been quite a roller coaster ride. From the long slow climb up the first ramp and then the screaming plunge into the first descent to teeth rattling and jaw clenching curves and up the next ascent and down again.

Eric -
You are a great devil's advocate. I bash the board and you back them (so to speak). I back them and you bash them. This whole situation is getting dizzying. I feel like a mouse on a pendulum. The whole situation has become some fantastic puzzle. It could make the basis for a good mystery movie. Although the story's end would probably not be the same as the real life story.

Nevertheless, those same annoying questions keep coming back. Why rehire GD if money is tight and he isn't going to be around; especially with a rap like his? Why rehire JD who allegedly confessed her aspiration in life is to make people miserable? Making people miserable has cost ORA a tremendous amount of money in down equipment, hangars in disrepair, a shortage of pilots, etc. The list of things needing to be done is well known. How about, why go after Chris? If the board members are only victims of their initial bad decisions, why continue to kill the golden goose? If questioning the board is so bad, there must be a reason. They drove off a couple of good directors. What made those directors leave instead of hanging on for the sake of gathering information to use against them at a later date. Here is a question I think everyone feels may be taboo. Where does Stan Segalla stand in all this? Rita apparently kept the wolves at bay until her death. Aviation wise, Stan probably knew Cole the longest. In book history on Rhinebeck he and Cole were buddies. Could it be that between he and Rita, the board found stiff opposition to their desires? Now that Rita is gone is Stan hanging in there inspite of his being out gunned in the voting? Is he, "The Last Starfighter?"

CurtissJenny -
Thanks for posting the mission statements. That gave me some good ammo to go with to Mr. Palmquist.

Salute!

This is what I want to see!!!

EricGoedkoop · 4 September 2004, 02:55 AM

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Originally posted by tazbat@Sep 3 2004, 11:57 PM
[b] Here is a question I think everyone feels may be taboo. Where does Stan Segalla stand in all this?

Tazbat - I've been asking that for the last two weeks. Just yesterday, CAL described Segalla as appearing to be firmly in the DeMarco & Daly camp.

SteveS · 4 September 2004, 07:05 AM

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Originally posted by EricGoedkoop+Sep 3 2004, 08:43 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (EricGoedkoop @ Sep 3 2004, 08:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-SteveS@Sep 3 2004, 08:30 PM
[b] And I get chastised for complaining about the wrong cowl on the Caudron?

But Steve, we just expect so much more from you. . .

You're not still sore over that, are you?[/quote]
As in? Not all of what I've done is posted on this forum for all to see.

Not at all!

Just could'nt resist. I'm enjoying all the thoughts being passed pack and forth.

Salute,
Steve

PS What happened to the Springteen joke?

EricGoedkoop · 4 September 2004, 07:14 AM

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Originally posted by SteveS@Sep 4 2004, 10:05 AM
[b]PS What happened to the Springteen joke?

Man - can't put anything over on you.

I thought it was funny last night, then this morning I thought maybe I was getting a little irrelevant and didn't want the discussion to start straying all over, so I pulled it. But we ended up out here anyway . . . . .

At least we're all paying attention. That's good, right?

tazbat · 4 September 2004, 08:50 AM

Thanks Eric -
I missed that point about Stan in Cal's post.

I have often compared the Board members to wolves. That animal is too noble to associate with that bunch. Now the vulture is not such a noble animal. It tears its victims apart, scattering them all over the landscape. Vultures don't have any social hierarchy, they smell horrendous due to the meals they sport on their feathers, they are unclean. Vultures aren't organized, don't pull together for the good of the whole, but still flock together. Wherever there is a potential meal, they gather.

Am I wrong in thinking that while Rita was on the board, the members were somewhat restrained. If so, why? I can't believe they were doing it out of respect for her. They don't seem to respect anything Cole did. Was someone else voting with her?

Salute!

Here is what I want to see!!!

pietenpol · 4 September 2004, 12:31 PM

As far as I am concerned, "Farmer Stan" and GD are the same type of people, but just with different names. When I was working the Sunday shows, I remember hearing more than once that the "FARMER" had logged over 20,000 hours in the air! WOW - in the trade that is known as "pencil time". He is listed on the FAA register of possesing only an ASEL- Commercial ticket. So where did he rack up all those thousands of hours from? Lets see... his act lasts about 15 minutes or so... that comes to about 80,000 flying farmer acts! His ego is the size of Texas, with just about as much baloney going along with that. Even though he has been with ORA since the early days, I feel that he only looks out for himself and that he is partnered with the faction of DUM DUM DALY! He is not to be trusted, that's my opinion! If I am wrong, then someone prove it!
On a positive note, Keep those pics coming of the way ORA used to be, because that is what i want to see again also!

tazbat · 4 September 2004, 01:38 PM

This is what I want to see!!!

EricGoedkoop · 4 September 2004, 02:30 PM

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Originally posted by pietenpol@Sep 4 2004, 03:31 PM
[b]. . . . I remember hearing more than once that the "FARMER" had logged over 20,000 hours in the air! WOW - in the trade that is known as "pencil time". . . . Lets see. . . his act lasts about 15 minutes or so... that comes to about 80,000 flying farmer acts!

Pietenpol - I don't know how full of baloney Segalla may or may not be, but apparently he does a lot more flying than just the Farmer routine (and to be fair it's always been a terrific act).

http://segallad.tripod.com/Aerobatic...ons/index.html

Now, the fact that he offers aerobatic instruction doesn't mean anybody takes him up on it, but like everyone else the man does have a life outside ORA. I can believe he's got an ego, and I can believe that both he and DeMarco are primarily concerned for themselves, whether they're in cahoots or not. Maybe I'm picky, but it seems odd that Segalla wouldn't at least have a link to ORA on his site . . . . . . .

Here's what I find interesting: according to his website linked above, Segalla is in Florida every year from October to April. Most all the stuff we've been talking about here happened between October and April. So does that mean he wasn't involved? And if so, why the heck not? As a board member, shouldn't be around for the kind of major shake-ups that got everybody scratchin' their heads in the first place?

tazbat · 4 September 2004, 05:10 PM

Maybe Stan is in Florida visiting with GD. He also spends his winters there.
As far as being gone during the Great Blood Letting and any items requiring a vote, if he wasn't present his vote may have been made by one of the other members, like proxy.

4 September 2004, 08:27 PM

Cole's Dream

Below is a copy of a reply I received from Cole back in 1993 after sending in a donation to the new museum. At the time I had been visiting ORA for over 20 years and wanted to give something back. After reading about all the trouble going on I thought it would be appropriate to share this with everyone.
Thanks, Ron Gamelli