Rhinebeck Museum trouble

[SteveS]

Originally posted by tazbat@Sep 5 2004, 06:57 PM
[b] I checked and a remake of King Kong is indeed being shot currently in New Zealand. Maybe the board hired out the service of GD and the Camel.

Sorry! I didn't know about a Sopwith Tripe. What happened to it?

If GDM is playing King Kong, who's flying the camel?

Eric was refering to the Warner powered Fokker triplane used for a couple of years before being totaled by that jet-jockey. Plenty of photos over in the memories thread.

Salute,
Steve

[tazbat]

Thanks SteveS

I remember hearing and reading about the Jet-jockey crashing a Dr1a. That's one hot shot pilot that didn't have the world by the A..

There are a lot of things I don't know about Cole, the Old Guard, and ORA. If I stub my know it all writing toe on an informational glitch, I am certainly not to proud to back down and admit it. Writing is another of my passions and sometimes it gets out of control, like a wild fire. Once ignited it goes where ever it may.

SteveS Posted on Sep 5 2004, 10:42 PM
If GDM is playing King Kong, who's flying the camel?

Um... The gorilla?

Salute!

[tazbat]

Originally posted by Richard King@Sep 5 2004, 08:15 PM
[b]... but when they heard of the big party we were going to have as part of the removal process they cooled it.

Mr. King -
That is one party I hope I get invited to. It should start with everyone getting to watch the board run out by the cops and warned to never set foot on the property again. I know that is asking a lil' much. It would be a bit hard to coordinate, now wouldn't it?

Thanks for sharing the information about more of the boards nastiness. They are vultures, absolutely vultures, with absolutely no respect for what Cole Palen's Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome truly represented. You have my deep regrets for the anguish you are suffering at their hands. But, their moment will come and all their glory will pass like chaff in the wind. The darkness of their ways will envelope them swiftly, just as a stiff breeze extinguishes a lone candle in the night.

You and the rest of the Old Guard certainly deserve better. Once the current board has been ousted, there will be some difficult times trying to repair the damage, get new and trusted people on the board, correct the bylaws, get the fund raising jump started, reinlist as many of the Old Guard who may not have decided to go on with their lives, etc. There is at least a couple years to get caught up on. If I may be permitted another guess; there will be many folks standing by to volunteer, myself included.

Someone quoted Shakespeare recently saying, "Power corrupts." Well, the end of that little phrase is, "Absolute power corrupts absolutely."

Salute!

This is what I want to see!!!

[tazbat]

Oh Yeah!
Once this is all done and over with (the ousting of the Royal Pain Trustees) I really do believe this affair will make a great movie script. I will have to look up some old contacts in the MP industry (I used to be in special effects when cgi was too expensive for just any movie).

If it was made into a movie, just think of all the positive publicity Cole's ORA could receive.

Salute!

[AAC Cadet Leader]

Richard King Posted: Sep 5 2004, 04:15 PM
You are right about them wanting to get anyone that has past affiliations with the aerodrome out of there. They have been dunning me to get my Ercoupe out of a hangar that I built and paid for myself, with Cole' s urging and blessing. I have three different letters from two lawyers telling me that they were going to evict me, but when they heard of the big party we were going to have as part of the removal process they cooled it.

Yesterday I received still another letter from their lawyer saying that I owe them $5000 for hangar rent and furthermore it will continue to accrue at $8.75 per day. As many of you know I came to Rhinebeck in 1959 and helped physically and literally build the place. Cole encouraged me to build a hangar of my own to use as a sort of reward for my loyalty and devotion to ORA, for as long as was around.

They probably figure since Cole's no longer around, nor should you be, Mr. King. You're cramping their style...

[wingnut]

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The pictures of aeroplanes with quotes: " This is what I want to see ". This is what I want to see also. But, what would you say if you saw them flying under the current Board ? Would you all be happy then? Those planes flying , or not , is not the biggest problem. The current parasites that call themselves, The Board. This is what I want to see: The current Board Gone Forever! Including, The She Beast, Dizzy Daly, and Gene Mecon.

[tazbat]

That is a definite given!
The photos are just a reminder of what we can't see on a regular basis at the air shows. I was told that this weekend, ten or more planes were flown including the Nieuport. Maybe Chad is in town. Or maybe Dan flew the rotary. That my source wasn't clear about.

Salute!

[tazbat]

Oh yeah!
From what I saw a few weeks ago, I don't believe that many planes will fly on a regular basis. Certainly not this year. Next year will be interesting to see what develops.

Salute!

[EricGoedkoop]

Originally posted by Curtiss Jenny@Sep 5 2004, 06:33 PM
[b] It is easy to see how ‘the pilot’ can spin his web. Being an accomplice to stealing aircraft is no laughing matter. It is a Federal Offence, literally! The helpers are now in the position of being blackmailed; they will say or do anything to protect him.

Very interesting point.

[EricGoedkoop]

Originally posted by tazbat@Sep 5 2004, 06:57 PM
[b]It would also be a breach of charter for not properly maintaining an item of the collection. Actually, I think quite a number of formerly flying aircraft, now sitting static, come under that breach of rule.

Slow down there, cowboy. As much as we would like to see everything flying all the time (talk about a dogfight!), it would be quite literally impossible for an organization the size of ORA to maintain 60 some odd aircraft, most antiques, in flying condition all the time. The Mission Statement, rightfully so, refers to "aircraft" in general. Nothing is going to perform at the Airshows forever, nor would I particularly want it to. When I was a kid, the great thing about going to Rhinebeck every year was to see something new, something that wasn't flying the year before. And for something new to be in the air, something else had to be in the hangar. Remember, ORA has limited funds, limited manpower and limited resources, and I'm going to make a really big deal out of that in just a little bit.

Yes, I'd like to see the Camel flying, too, but not if it isn't airworthy. That Camel has been flying for a quite a few years and is quite possibly in need of major work. The problem here is that right now, one aeroplane out of service (especially the only British WW1 representative, since the Avro took a spill last year) makes a big difference in the show. There are quite simply fewer planes flying than I ever remember. They're not going OUT of service any quicker, but there isn't much or any of the collection coming out of the museum onto the flightline. There isn't anything new being added. When we went, the only aircraft that I had never seen before were the Tripe with the black and white stripes (is that Coughlin's?), which didn't fly, and Lorraine's Champ. ORA just isn't keeping up with attrition, and not to kick a dead horse, but that doesn't happen over a year or two. It's been a long time since they added anything to the show - if I'm not mistaken, that SPAD and the return of the Jenny were the last "new" things.

Speaking of Tripes - is the one that's sporting the Cole Palen scheme now the same one that crashed a few years ago? I remember seeing pictures on ORA's site (back when they used to post stuff on their site) of it being repaired and recovered and I thought it was getting done in the same red and streaky green it had before. . . . . . . anybody know?