Rhinebeck Museum trouble - Page 350

womenfly2 · 25 August 2008, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by curtisswright

I'm very suspicious of this dialog from an alleged current volunter. Why now? Very curious.

Maybe Oswald would be so kind as to give us some idea of what he does at ORA.

Are you a non-paid volunteer, work for and receive pay from ORA, paid consultant, A&P mechanic, part of the air show group, pilot, aircraft builder ...... ?

A little background of yourself, to see how you assist and help at ORA, maybe helpful at this point in the thread.

Just my 2-cents worth,
WF2

air male · 25 August 2008, 08:39 PM

I think I know who Oswald is but, I would never reveal his identity. My point in saying so is, if he is who I think then he is an okay chap. He is what he says. Perhaps a bit naive on the disappearing engines and airframes, but a genuine Cole-a-holic.

So... don't lean on him too hard for what he may not know. It's not a sin to trust people whose sins are not apparent. Sometimes a person can be so close to something they don't see the whole scope of what is happening. Most of us have been there and done that. Besides, the BoTs want everyone at ORA to blindly believe and trust in them. Thus, the reasons for the contrivances, false accusations, hidden activities, and lame inconsistent excuses, else there would be no volunteers.

Something about the comment of Vinny having many hours of flying time in the Nieuport 24 is worrisome. If so, there must be a log book to prove it. From what many have indicated, here and in the media, if he knew that plane so well he should have never made a pilot error that would've caused a stall and spin. My gut feeling is he didn't have enough time in it. Remember, they (per the BoT's spokesperson) said Jim Record was fully checked out in the Camel and had many hours at the stick. He was also trained by a very competent Camel pilot, not Gene D. but Chad Wille.

In response to many of the recent comments I would offer this...
By now, after five years of trying to put on an airshow equal to Cole's and the Old Guard, it must really gnaw at the souls of the trustees and Tom Daly to know that they haven't even gotten off the ground. Figuratively, I would say they are still in the sod beneath his boot.

curtisswright · 26 August 2008, 07:23 AM

Air Male, very well put. Lets just hope the state finds just cause and that, should they be interested, current well-meaning people at ORA take the time to familiarize themselves with the issues of which we speak. A good place for them to start would be to flat-out ask what the deal was with the roaming gnome. Or perhaps, what the board has against term limits, or what Mr. Hugh S is doing beyond standing at the gate to generate memberships. If they are as well meaning as we suspect, it is difficult to see how their perception would be different than ours. Just a thought. Regards all!!!! See you soon!

Gwen · 26 August 2008, 07:34 AM

Thank you Air Male for posting your recommmendation of Oswald. I know that many forumites are suspicious of new posters based on past experiences. I think that it's great that someone is finally willing to communicate with us and tell the other side of the story from their point of view. We might not agree with everything he writes as Curtiss Wright suggests, but a lot of the controversial issues started because of a lack of communication and misunderstandings, so please let's continue the dialog when we have this opportunity.

Oswald, I would very much like to know "the other side" of the Gnome engine story, and any other stories that you would like to put straight. Like Womenfly2, I am curious if you have any flight training, but respect your right to privacy and do not want you to get into trouble with doing postings. Please understand that those who read this thread have a lot of passion for ORA, as you do, and forgive them for jumping on you a bit.

As for the Ansaldo's engine that you mention, please read the Trustee's Answer to the Petition #21 at Save Rhinebeck Aerodrome It may take a few minutes to open, depending on your computer's speed.

One thing that might make it easier for doing long postings is to type it into a Word file first, then copy and paste onto the forum thread. That program has a spell checker and thesaurus that makes it easier to write and edit than the thread reply box, which sometimes drops letters out of postings.

I think that I speak for many of us when I hope that someday we all can meet at the Aerodrome in peace.

crankcase · 26 August 2008, 07:44 AM

... as a teenager and met Cole Palen, so I have an itty-bitty stake in seeing a fortunate outcome to this issue which does justice to that great man's vision and values.

Having followed this thread (and read the petition), I welcome Oswald's comments, particularly as i believe we have had no input from someone currently active at OAR.

I can understand the suspicions aroused and the desire to be sure that his comments, even if based on incomplete facts, at least are made in good faith. therefore, this may be a good time to disclose identities and continue the discussion openly.

i recall dan-san advocating this in another thread last year (on another matter), and while i like the creative "nomes de plumes" we have chosen for ourselves (which work without controversy in 95% of the cases), there are times when full transparency is appropriate.
marc cannizzo (aka crankcase)

AAC Cadet Leader · 26 August 2008, 07:49 AM

well, let's hope he comes back and posts again before his bosses tell him not to.

womenfly2 · 26 August 2008, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by AAC Cadet Leader

well, let's hope he comes back and posts again before his bosses tell him not to.

Yes me too Cadet Leader and well put everyone. I do hope Oswald is now stimulated with curiosity from all this and the questions he may ask are truthfully answered and then, maybe shared with us.

WF2

I hate rumors and speculation, it topples the mightiest thoughts and the biggest dreamers.

curtisswright · 26 August 2008, 11:49 AM

Lets hope he returns, if only for the entertainment element. If he is reading, another tid-bit to ask the board is why Dick King an Chris R were treated like common thugs. And if the board-member owned Great Lakes was charged the same storage fees to be comfortably nesting along with Aerodrome aircraft in a hangar over the winter as Dick was for the Aerocoupe. Illegally charged one might add. Also, are they still enjoying the use of the hangar that Dick built out-of-pocket. Um, didn't Dick fly for years without taking a salary? Didn't Dick travel with Cole at his own expense to away shows to build the Aerodrome's marketability?

Oswald, these are a few of your benevolent board members. And don't forget to let us know how much the owner(s) of the Great Lakes paid to hangar down over the winter. We'll compare it to what Dick King was asked to fork over.

BobGhee · 26 August 2008, 08:21 PM

Oswald and company couldn't possibly have any conception of the thunder,
mirth, and magic which once existed at ORA. For them to believe that they
are staging better shows than ever is absurd. The "Cole Palen tradition" is
more than putting on a motoring cap, chinos, and red suspenders. It
appears that the power of denial walks hand in hand with incompetence...

Canberra Man · 27 August 2008, 03:20 AM

I understand exactly how you all feel, The museum I am a vounteer at is The Dumfries and Galloway Aviation Museum and we too are under threat, but our problem is greed, not complicity (have I spelt that correctly, it looks funny) We have had a change of landowner and they have put the rent up from £700 per annum to £3,000 per annum, they are willing to sell the land for £120,000 and an extra parcel of land for future extension for a total of £400,000!!!! Our landowners are no better than your miscreants.

Ken