Rhinebeck Museum trouble

tazbat · 15 July 2009, 07:59 PM

Cole did better before he officially started charging people at the gate.

Salute!

ONEALM · 23 July 2009, 04:23 PM

Oswald -

Thanks for the clarification on the Saturday show, but I have to agree with Sandy - you've got to be kidding....

Beyond the weak showing of ORA planes, I object to

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The the show was ended by a stunning aerobatic performance from the Iron Eagles aerobatic team (Only one Eagle sadly, Bill Gordon was busy with the DR1 at the time :-) ) Video of the Iron Eagles and the Barons entrance are posted on you-tube. Almost 800 visitors attended Sunday, and they where all smiles on their way out.

How is that even in the same theme as anything that ORA is about? Why not just invite the Thunderbirds or the Blue Angels ? ORA is not about vertical climbs and 450 HP Stearmsn or AT-6's or whatever these guys were flying.

Anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together and 5 minutes of history at ORA before the Plague moved in would understand that. I hope you do know better and are putting on a good face just to keep the place vital.

Glad to hear there were smiles on the way out. I can guarantee many, many more if the current BoT would pack up and leave. I suspect the smiles then would be permanent....

Anyway, keep at it young man - maybe one day you'll get to see first hand what this thread is really all about.

-Mike

tazbat · 26 July 2009, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ONEALM

Oswald - ...
Anyway, keep at it young man - maybe one day you'll get to see first hand what this thread is really all about.
-Mike

Hey Oswald,
I am not about denegrating anyone who really works at keeping alive what Cole built. As for the BOT they have only managed to keep an air museum and air show going since they invaded the premises. Like a festering bacteria they systematically destroyed what Cole was about by attacking the reputations of so many people he loved and called "True Friends." By not sticking to the program but by "doing it their way."

Oh... they continue to put on an air show that pales into insignifcance when compared to Cole's. I keep saying Cole's, and it was his by right, but he was never egotistical like the BOT. The BOT on the other hand grabbed the reigns of the operations and have ridden the proverbial horse to death. The horse isn't dead yet and may live for yet some time, but it is in its death throes. Yeah... they have, "Done it their way." But, what good has it been. There are years of posts here documenting the results of their ill gotten power. Their crap has been hashed and re-hashed mega-dozens of times and no amount of positive perspective is going to change or undue their damage, except their complete removal. Even if I got my wish and that happened, it would be a difficult challenge for new trustees and volunteers to revitalize ORA.

The BOT, you, and anyone else can put all the "Spin," on it they want, and it isn't going to change the fruits of their dictatorial, stiff necked, strong armed regime.

"They did it their way!" Soooo, what! Anyone who knew Cole and returned time after time, season after season, have ceased to come back. The majority of the people who attend now, don't even know the difference between a SPAD and a Fokker, and if they learn they won't remember it 6 months from now. Heck, half the people who work there can't tell anyone the differences between a SPAD and a Fokker. Oh, they might say that is a SPAD and that is a Fokker, but that is all. They couldn't tell what makes them different. I would be surprised if half of them know one is French and the other is German. They couldn't describe what are the engines, or the armament. There used to be people there who could, and did. Some were so good at it, that they would have a collection of people hanging on their discourses, both before and after the air shows.

Yep... They did it "Their way." You know what that means? It wasn't Cole's way. If it doesn't get done Cole's way, then it really isn't Cole Palen's Rhinebeck Aerodrome Museum.

You know what else? You should be concerned about the future of ORA. The State of NY doesn't care about ORA, nor the agencies that oversee the operations of museums, or the offices of justice. They have all looked the other way when people have presented evidences of malfeasance and criminal intent. Someday Cole's name may completely be forgotten, and who knows, maybe it will have the name of one of the BOT members, that's if it lasts long enough.

Ozzie - if you have never seen Cole Palen's Flying Circus, then I highly recommend you beg or borrow a copy and watch it. I still watch mine on a regular basis because I don't want to let the memory of Cole and his fearless band of comrades die.

Salute!

PS - if the BOT were so concerned about keeping alive the spirit of Cole I would think that even if there wasn't anything else in the stores to buy, there would always be copies of the "Flying Circus."

SteveS · 28 July 2009, 11:06 AM

Looks like there was a incident with one of the New Standards Sunday night. Seems kinda strange that it had no passengers (Thank God!)

Anyone know any more info?

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** Report created 7/28/2009 Record 5 **
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IDENTIFICATION
Regis#: UNK Make/Model: D25 Description: NEW STANDARD D25
Date: 07/26/2009 Time: 2040

Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N
Damage: Unknown

LOCATION
City: RHINEBECK State: NY Country: US

DESCRIPTION
REGISTRATION UNKNOWN, NEW STANDARD D25 AIRCRAFT, ON TAKEOFF, WENT OFF THE
RUNWAY, OLD RHINEBECK AIRPORT, RHINEBECK, NY

INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
# Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:

OTHER DATA
Activity: Unknown Phase: Take-off Operation: OTHER

FAA FSDO: TETERBORO, NJ (EA25) Entry date: 07/28/2009

http://www.faa.gov/data_research/acc...dia/05_UNK.txt

Salute,
Steve

ONEALM · 28 July 2009, 11:10 AM

...at least it sounds like no one was injured. Always good news...

tazbat · 28 July 2009, 10:15 PM

If there were no injuries, then I wonder why they reported it. If they had the opportunity to get away with not reporting a mishap, but did anyway, then I am surprised. Not that I hold to that sort of thinking, but some there used to. This could be a problem with the FAA/NTSB since it will be another notch on the strut for accidents. Even though the New Standard didn't have any known passengers onboard, it is still a passenger aircraft, unlike the air show planes. I wonder if we will know who the pilot was.

Me!

tazbat · 28 July 2009, 10:37 PM

Spirits lift even if old airplane doesn't | PoughkeepsieJournal.com | Poughkeepsie Journal

I wasn't aware that Hugh S is the Chief Pilot at ORA. I thought it was J Record. I also noticed that the paragraph about how they demonstrated some of the museum's planes on the ground, made it sound like they were taking to the air in Museum planes. As we know, they are privately owned.
It must be nice to be able to bring all those private planes to ORA and get museum financed flying insurance for the show season as well as free hangar space. Do they get to hangar them there during the winter to?

I loved the statement about being, "... the only place in the world you can see planes like this flying on a regular basis." I guess they don't know about Owl's Head, Shuttleworth, and Omaka. Bet they do, but they are in denial.

"Schoelzel said the Aerodrome purchased the plane from a man in New Hampshire about two years after it opened for business in 1959." Hmmm.... I wasn't aware that the Aerodrome opened in 1959. I thought Cole purchased the plane, personally. Oh well... what does anyone else know, the trustees own the place, so they should know.

Me... again!

Bob Laske · 29 July 2009, 03:44 PM

If you take a look at the report, the time of the accident is 2040 which, if accurate, does make it seem kind of strange, as SteveS points out, that they would be flying a rides plane with no passengers so late in the afternoon.

30 July 2009, 08:41 AM

Since the report of the plane incident hasn't been in the newspapers locally, I wonder if it was just an accidental omission or is it the Aerodrome has something to hide. My guess is the second. Papers are usually more than happy to publish anyones misfortunes. Therefore, it is also raises the question of whether or not the law is invloved in keeping information from the public.

AAC Cadet Leader · 30 July 2009, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by tazbat

Spirits lift even if old airplane doesn't | PoughkeepsieJournal.com | Poughkeepsie Journal...
"Schoelzel said the Aerodrome purchased the plane from a man in New Hampshire about two years after it opened for business in 1959."

Hmmm.... I wasn't aware that the Aerodrome opened in 1959. I thought Cole purchased the plane, personally. Oh well... what does anyone else know, the trustees own the place, so they should know.

choking on my morning toast as i read this.

perhaps schoelzel forgot the name of the man who founded "the aerodrome" (formerly known as Cole Palen's Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome") when he was talking to the reporter... easy for the trustees to do. after all, old whatshisname is no longer alive. let's give schoelzel the benefit of the doubt.

and accuracy of reporting the way Cole started it? today's sound-bite reporters aren't interested in accuracy any more than BOT's are in delivering it to them.