Rhinebeck Museum trouble

[Bitz Dr1]

Originally Posted by larryboomboom

onealm: Your statement: "Just take a minute and rub those three brain cells together, heat 'em up for a moment and let the reality of ORA sink in. It will come to you, I promise." Well Doc... IT DIDN'T. Got any other brain farts you want to share with the world??? Do you think this kind of personal attack is a nice thing to say? You must be one of, or related to one of, the "ax-grinders" that were thrown out by the current BOT for being caught stealing from ORA. Yeah OK sure compared to your stupendous mental height, we don't hold a candle to YOUR percieved abilities. But at least we are honest good intentioned people. As a Viet Nam veteran I can appreciate what a great country we live in that allows all us "experts" rattle on and on and on. You were probably on of those school girlie type draft dodgers of the '60s. I must say that here are a few reasonalbe and rational posters here but by-in-large... WHAT A QUAGMIRE of cow$#!+. Present company INCLUDED! Sit on this buddy...

Ok, please, everyone refrain from exchanging too many personal insults. Also, what difference does it make that you are a VIET NAM VET? Does this give you credibility over other Veterans? Perhaps, this makes your views totally impervious to criticism? Lets not forget the KOREAN VETS too. There are still WWII and a few WWI vets around - Those were actual wars, not a quagmire of cow$#!+, as you like to put it.

We serve our country in many ways, and not all of us have to kill foreigners to be respected.

Funny thing is the real folks that should be getting caught for stealing are STILL THERE, and you work for them. (not all of them there are guilty, but read more history here and you may find yourself informed)

By the way Larry, I before E, except after C -

Good grammar and spelling commands respect.

Work with explosives at the ORA, and threaten others with your little icons suggesting an intention to blow them up, and one could perceive your actions as threatening, and you could find yourself in a difficult position with the law. Don't think that just because you are typing in a computer that you are anonymous in your home, especially when your words are hostile. You are treading on sensitive legal ground.

Even if we do not agree, we must remain respectful, and be gentlemen. Otherwise, this whole discussion is not worth piss.

[ONEALM]

Larry BB-

I didn't say you had ONLY three - but from your reply, it's probably not too far from the truth.

You can believe whatever you like about the current state of ORA, but you'd be wrong to assume it's anything like it was or can be. I'll give you something of a pass since you don't know me personally, but you're so far off base in every other aspect of your post that I won't even reply to those points.

But at least we are honest good intentioned people

May well be - but when you say "we", you've included people in that blanket statement who have no business managing ORA. It's been said 100 times on this thread - this is not a personal attack on anyone - it's an attack on the methods used to run ORA and the lack of foresight, planning, direction and understanding of the significance of the collection.

At the risk of lighting a fire under you, I would be more careful about tossing out comments like this one without a little more background on the people you are trying to insult.

You were probably on of those school girlie type draft dodgers of the '60s

When I come up to ORA, maybe we can discuss your position a little more seriously nose-to-nose.

[Albrecht]

Larry bb,

First, thank you for your service. Second, ease up on the coffee. There are probably a fair number of us on this thread who also served and it's no big deal if we have differing opinions - don't throw us all into the '69 VW bus on the way to Woodstock. If I were to describe the situation in Sea Bee terminology, I'd say that the Palen years were like being stationed in Port Hueneme with John Wayne as the BNCO (go see "The Fighting Sea Bees" for reference). The current years are like being stationed in Gulf Port with some pencil neck, bean counting geek as your BNCO. Now, Gulf Port is still a CBC, but it's not Ventura County if you know what I'm saying (my apologies to anyone from Mississippi out there).

[Fokker Ace]

EDITED: No need to mention war experiences.

Apparently there is something rotten at ORA and it leaked into the water supply. At $20 a pop to see a half-hearted airshow and maybe catch an all-too-common-these-days crash, maybe it best the show doesn't go on. The people speaking for ORA on here sure aren't the kind of ambassadors you'd want to rely on.

[Bitz Dr1]

Originally Posted by Fokker Ace

Does mentioning the "Viet Nam" experience in each post get points for discounted gas at the Mobil or something?

Apparently there is something rotten at ORA and it leaked into the water supply. At $20 a pop to see a half-hearted airshow and maybe catch an all-too-common-these-days crash, maybe it best the show doesn't go on. The people speaking for ORA on here sure aren't the kind of ambassadors you'd want to rely on.

Perhaps I am naive, but Oswald seems a fair gent, and is offering information that is not biased, nor insulting.

I am sure though of one thing- Our Family owns a Dr1, and it is NOT going anywhere near this aerodrome. Nothing near it, nor any of the folks in the area there that I know, and am glad to walk away from. Some of the most abusive folks that I have ever came across are centered on that place. It seems a shame, as such greatness should attract a similar greatness, not the sludge that I have seen in my limited exposure that comprises 95% of my interactions with that tiny arrogant part of the world tucked away in Dutchess County.

I will follow what happens there, but am not going to be donating the time that I had in mind, as some of the folks there may drive me to unpleasant territory. Still, I will carry the flame for Cole, and his dream, and hope the parasites infecting it's innards fade away. Seems unlikely, since the State of New York has NO BALLS on the topic. Perhaps it is yet another wreaking example of WHO YOU KNOW, as some folks have seen recently in other realms of this discussion, with the NS crash vanishing from News paper archives.

Larry- tell your Bosses that plane wrecks are really super for getting folks to be aware of the collection, and may just be the best way to draw folks into see the shows- Perhaps you could blow some of them up too? What the heck. Turn it into a simulation of a real WWI aerodrome. Folks love a good show.

[Bob Laske]

Wow! I used to think this was a forum for people who wanted to discuss how the Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome might be better operated.

[AAC Cadet Leader]

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[robbiefwall]

Hello again, all...

For the record...

Here is the FAA report of the New Standard accident on July 26, 2009.

I obtained it by filing a FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) request. Here is a link to the PDF file I created.

FAA information on N19157 accident
at Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome 7/26/09

Oh....There's some Halloween humor on page 5 of this PDF. The FAA states all of us ended up in a raven!

Nevermore!

[ONEALM]

Wow! I used to think this was a forum for people who wanted to discuss how the Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome might be better operated.

Bob, it is, but you well know that the problem is that without some reorganization of the management, nothing said here will make any difference.

The rest of the thread is devoted to pointing out to the current management, the current volunteer crew and anyone else who will listen, the imperitive of my first sentence.

Of course, sometimes we Irish lose our temper......

[tazbat]

Well Robbie, it took some time but you managed to get the report changed to an accident and properly recorded.

Many thanks for your efforts.

I hope the next time you visit the Aerodrome, the current trustees and their crew will be gone and you can get a better ride.

Salute!