Looking for Wochenbericht -May 25, 1917

Hello,

I am wondering if any of you forumites have a certain Wochenbericht (1 Armee) that includes the date May 25, 1917? If you do, is there a chance that I could get a copy of it, as I need to take a look at details concerning all aerial victories for that date. Any help will be greatly appreciated.

regards

[Frank_Olynyk]

Winged Warrior,

Basically, the Wochenberichten for each Armee are not going to give you any more details than are already available for the Jastas. The claims appearing in any Armee's Wochenbericht are a list similar to that found in the Nachrichtenblatt, with the exception that they frequently (not always) included the time, and usually (more than frequently&#33 included the location. The unit is always given.

I do not have any 1. Armee Wochenberichten for 1917 with the exception of the last two weeks of December, after which most of them exist for 1918. I only have copies of the claims pages, since I did not wish to ask Winfried Bock to copy the whole thing when usually one page suffices.

For Schleich's victory credited on this date, the sources I know of are the Nachrichtenblatt, and Tornuss' notes (which I do not have, only a much edited version).

Frank.

Hi Frank,

Actually, it was the time of the victory on May 25th that I was primarily concerned with. There is a different time given for this victory in the two sources that I have:

Above the Lines - 1645 hrs

The Jasta War Chronology - 2100 hrs

I was hoping that I could see primary source documents that may confirm which time is correct. While I am still in the process of obtaining the NB for 1917, I understood that it will not give me the time of the victory, so I was hoping that I could find this in the Wochenbericht. Does Tornuss' notes give a time for this victory? Thanks also for your input.


regards

[Frank_Olynyk]

My reference to Tornuss' notes say 1645. Perhaps Norman Franks, Bill Bailey or Rick Duiven can explain the reference to 2100.

Frank.

[Rick]

I am afraid I won't be too helpful here, but I'll try. For 25May17, Dr. Bock's notes say von Schleich scored at 21.00, Matthaei scored at 20.45, and that Paulus was KIA at 17.13. Ferko's notes give no time for Schleich, provide a time of 17.13 for Matthaei and list Paulus KIA at 17.14 hours. ATL and TJWC were written before Ferko passed away and therefore before his data was available for anyone to research. I do not have access to the Kofl 1 weekly reports. In light of this, I would tend to go along with Frank and give the time of Schleich's v/c as 16.45, just because it is listed before Matthaei's at 17.13 in Ferko, and also before Paulus at 17.14 again in Ferko. Confusing?? You betchum Red Ryder! R.

Thanks Frank for your assistance. I think that you used good logic Rick. My supposition is that von Schleich, Matthaei and Paulus were on the same mission together that evening. I still would like to know were Dr. Bock got his information from. This is a good example of the frustration researches deal with when examining events which occurred over 80 years ago!

regards

[fliegertruppe]

Hello,
I have the german text about the victory of Schleich 25. May 1917, but no time.
Here is the the report:
" Abschuß eines Spad am 25.5.1917 bei Moranvillers (jenseits):
Die Kette Lt. Thuy, Jagdstaffel 21, wurde bei einem Sperrflug von einem Geschwader von 4 Spads, welches von Norden Richtung Reims kam, angegriffen. Oberleutnant Schleich nahm den Kampf in gleicher Höhe mit einem Spad an und brachte ihn im Kurvenkampf zum Absturz.
gez. Schleich

Who can translate this in english?

Greeting
Reinhard

[Immo_Frese]

Here is the translation...

"SPAD, shot down on 25 May 1917 west of the lines near Moranvillers.

The flight of Lt. Thuy, Jasta 21, was on a "Sperre - flight", when they came under attack of a flight of 4 SPAD's, which came from northern direction near Reims. Lt. Schleich, who was at the same height, took up the challenge with one of the SPAD's and shot it down in the following dog-fight.

signed: Schleich"

Immo

[Rick]

Reinhard Kastner and Immo Frese: An unbeatable combination!!! Thanks to you both!!! Rick

Excellent stuff! I second what Rick said. I appreciate the added info Reinhard. Thanks for the concise translation Immo.

regards