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[Dave_Kent]

Hello:

I am interested in learning the details of incidents in which aircraft were brought down by other airmen of their own side, other than by accidental collision. I know of the incident involving Nungesser, but can't recall any others off-hand.

Your help appreciated.

Dave

[Graeme]

Dave

Gregory Hamilton Blaxland, No 2 Sqn AFC, shot down Adjutant Renault of SPA 86 on 4 May 1918; the French pilot was killed.

Graeme

[Barrett]

In recent wars, semi-wars, demi-wars, and live fire exercizes, "blue on blue" runs around 15%.

In an interesting variation of a blue-on-blue encounter a pilot of 45Sqn RFC in Italy .

The pilot in question was Ray Brownell an Australian in the RFC. *In his book "From Khaki to Blue" he states he was flying over Venice on 5 March 1918 when he was attacked by an Italian fighter. He tried to show his cockades to the attacking fighter to no avail. *Deciding to take a more agressive stance he fought it for a period of time and shot away its aileron controls, purposely missing the cockpit, until the Italian flopped into the water.

The story is also repeated in Norman MacMillan's book "Offensive Patrol".

Somebody once sent me the Italian side of the story where the pilot claimed HE was minding his own business when the British Camel with "dumbbell" markings came up and shot him down.

Altogether a fascinating story.

[Dave_Kent]

Hello:

Thanks for the 2 incidents, I was not aware of either.

Is the 15% from all friendly sources, i.e. including ground fire?

Yesterday I came across an item in WINGS OVER THE SOMME, page 55. A day or so pprior to June 25, 1916 a Morane monoplane dove on some F.E.s and was apparantly shot diwn by them. Lewis believed that the Morane pilot was not hit. Can anyone confirm the incident?

Dava

[ONEALM]

At the OtF Seminar Alan Roeseler gave a rundown on some of the better know incidents. If anyone who attended has the handout from his presentation, it has about 6 or 8 incidents listed on the last page. My last page went missing somewhere between Dayton and home !

Keep at it,
Mike

[Immo_Frese]

I think on the german side the most "famous" example is the fate of the CO of Jasta 19, Lt. Oliver Freiherr von Beaulieu-Marconnay. It is said that he was severely WIA by a german Fokker from Jasta 74 on 18 Oct 1918 and DOW 26 Oct 1918 in a Fieldhospital in Arlon.

Is someone able to provide a source for this incident...and who was the pilot from Jasta 74 ??? :-/

Michael, did Alan Roeseler mention this example or did he only speak about allied examples?

Very courious...

Immo