pilots-n-planes Or Copyright? What's that?

Volker,

>And now for the COPYRIGHT! Did he something wrong?
>He named his sources (Franks, etc.). But is this enough
>to avoid problems concerning the copyright?

Most country allow for "Fair Use" which is the use of a copyrighted work in limited situations such as photocopying for personal use, publishing a limited and accredited amount of text etc.

However few copyright legal systems allow for plagiarism or copying outside the bounds of fair use. A couple of paragraphs is ok if accredited a couple of pages isnt is probably a good rule of thumb.

Best to check each countries laws for copyright and fair use as they differ. Unfortunately I dont know enough about it. I know enough that I try to be careful on the AFC site and so far have not had any challanges to the material there even though it is obvious certain (accredited) texts are used. Not verbatim however and I try to stay within the bounds of fair use and reason.




cam

[AchimEngels]

Manfred, where are you?

[Volker_Nemsch]

Hello Mark!

No, that is not a victory. When new Forumites asked for some basic information I often "showed" them this website. Some of them wrote me a personal message afterwards.

I hope he will be back in a "correct" way. It is not my job to judge about people (others are trying to do so).

???

I did a correspondence course on writing a few years ago. I asked my instructor about copyright.
If I remember correctly;
1. Taking info from one source is plagarism.
2 Taking info from two or more is research.
3. There is no copyright on FACT.

[Volker_Nemsch]

Hello Neville!

1. Taking info from one source is plagarism.
2. Taking info from two or more is research.
3. There is no copyright on FACT.

That sounds good and comprehessive. My question to all FORUMITES is now: is this commonly agreed or just an individual statement? On the other hand it is clear that simple answers are not always the correct ones.

[MilesC]

Gotta admit, Cam makes a lot of sense. Some of the forumites who have published in paper stated that they made nothing from it. Soooo, if you put all of the blood, sweat and tears into the research and writing, how much harder would it be to crank out a pdf file? Adobe Acrobat costs about $500 (Can) if you sell 50 copies then you start paying off your costs for gasoline, pencils and paper. You might actually make some money. However, you won't get to see a block of paper on a shelf in a store or in a library. I for one would love to see more pdf books on aviation subjects. Have you ever tried to find a copy of some of Shores's early work? Danged hard to find, at least in Canada.

This however does not excuse blatent copying of someone's copyrighted book, even if it contains factual historical information and photographs. The authors did the work of assembling and analyzing the data, the publishers editted the book and printed it and all should be free to make what they can off of the work.

Miles Constable

[jamo]

There used to be another site like that called pigstompers.com which had a lot info on aces and their planes, including artwork, all lifted straight from the same books. That site folded and the shortcut now (somehow) takes you to another site called socialreject.com automatically. That site is truly weird and bears no relation at all to WWI. Can anyone explain that?
Cheers
James

[jamo]

After having a closer look at http://pilots-n-planes-ww1.com/ I am sure it is the same website which was at pigstompers.com. I wonder if the copyright issues are chasing the website owner around?

[MikeW]

OK, so I've got my copy of Adobe Acrobat distiller, I just spent 3 years of my life researching one particular subject, much time and effort locating photographs that have never appeared in print before, had a lot of luck, and found out that a lot of what has been previously printed to be wrong.

I've burnt my CDs - sold some - then some turkey comes along, rips off my CD, and plasters it all over his web site - I'm going to be just as pissed as if it were a paper book.

On the subject of paper books, I wouldn't care if I didn't make any money. If I wanted to make money I'd be cloning credit cards - some charmer has just had £3500 in 5 days in Madrid on my card! *

Mike

[AchimEngels]

I just do not see your problem. Simply never ever publish your work!

I for one be doing any of my publications for me in first line. Once it is done, I go and offer it to whom ever might be interested in. I do this for him to learn from and to work with.

It is just as simple as 1..2..3..

If I would be afraid that anybody could read or see the results of my work I would keep it locked.

If anybody is using my Phylax 3D artwork for instance, well that´s it. I do not mean to say that I would love see any of my privately generated graphics used anywhere else whithout permission, but if I wold fear that I would just not publish it. If I would fear it I would not have published that CD-Rom book on that revolution counters.

I hope you see my point of view. And historic photographs are yet another different thing! I would not even dare to judge any photo from my collection that was not published yet as copyrighted. And I have some that nobody else has, I am sure of. And if I use these for a publication I will for sure not claim any rights on these. (allways keep in mind that I am talking about historic photographs right now which are older than 8 decates)

And one more thing to consider: I do not know how many publishers are here participating in the thread. I am one and I can tell you that most publishing companies request a signed contract by any author to guaranty that he owns the rights on any photographs he hands over to the publisher which is to be published. This is not because the publisher needs to be sure that he does not violate any copyrights when it comes down to historic materials. This is just because he wants to exclude any possibility that anybody can come and claim rights on any photograph used for the concerned publication. With such a contract at hand any publisher is on the safe side and can reffer to the author. That´s it.

The question of copyright on historic or self made photographs is regulated by law and there is no need for any private idea.

Achim

P.S. Sorry, I just could not resist to post. Gell!