Help with photo identification

[c.hill]

Hello.

I recently posted the following to a subforum, however, I thought the Other WWI Aviation Forum might be interested in helping us identify some of the aircraft and places or events in the photographs:

This is my first time on this forum, and I have no expertise in World War I aircraft, so, please forgive me in advance for any misnomer's or incorrect references. I am an Archivist and am processing a collection of a WWI veteran. There are many images in his papers that we have been able to identify, however, there are two images in particular of what appear to be Nieuport 28s with unusual art on the right side of the planes. Each is a separate piece of art and neither have markings that indicate a particular squadron (such as "Hat in the Ring"). Both pieces are individual representations, one appears to be US soldiers crossing a battlefield (that plane has tail #3985) and the other depicts a soldier on horseback shooting at a wolf (no tail # is visible). Each cowling (?) also has separate art.

All of the images are posted on-line at http://157.89.125.137:8080/imagedb/i...Submit+request

The collection is the Walter J. Binder Papers. He served at Romorantin at the Air Service Production Center No. 2. There are some excellent photographs of the facility and planes being assembled (including the 1000th DH-4) and others that we would appreciate any help in making proper identification.

thanks,

chuck hill
University Archivist
Eastern Kentucky University

[Kilian]

Hello and welcome to the forums Mr.Hill.

Can you post the correct link again? This one leads to nowhere

regards
Kilian

[snipe]

Here is the correct link from the Nieuport 28 Art Work thread by C. Hill.

My question is are there any high resolution versions of these images available? It would help in identifying things.

[c.hill]

The best way to link is: University Archives - Search Image Database

which is a link to our image database. Then type in Binder.

The images are posted at 72dpi because we reserve the rights to the images and request payment for high resolution copies that can be published or for personal use.

[Taz]

Chuck- The inverted Nieuport appears to be a N.21, although the photos are very small and I cannot be sure. The German types you showed appear to be an Albatros(OAW) D.III on display in square (cannot see the second aircraft well enough), an LVG C.V, and a Fokker D.VII. Larger images would allow more positive identification.

Taz
Terry Phillips

[Cigogne]

2004-026-0070 & 71: The overturned aircraft No. 871 is not a Nieuport 21, but rather a development of the Nieuport 12 (Type 81, 82... etc) and is a two seater trainer. Look at the cabane struts and they are the same as on the Type 10 and Type 12 two seater aircraft which offer a taller gap to allow pilot access to front cockpit, which is under the top wing (or observer depending on which trainer type it is... single or dual control). Also, the interplane Vee-struts are slanted outwards, a feature of the Type 12 (and 81, 82 variants). On the Type 10 they are vertical. They are training aircraft from Romorantin.

2004-026-0057: Captured German observation aircraft... this is an LVG C.V.

2004-026-0059: Either a Type 24 or 27... not 24bis. 24bis has Nieuport 17 shaped rudder. Type 24 has the same shaped rudder of the Type 27, but with a larger faired tailskid like the Type 17-23 and 24bis.

2004-026-0060: Nieuport 24 with fuselage art. Note tailskid... this denotes it as a Type 24.

2004-026-0061: Captured Fokker Biplane skeleton. This is a Fokker D.VII.

[c.hill]

gentlemen,

thank-you for all of your assistance so far.

I am working with one of my colleagues to create a Flickr account that will have higher resolution scans (not downloadable) and will try reposting. I realize that the quality of the images have not been good but I'm hoping that if we can get the 300dpi images up that you might be able to take a look at them again.

please be on the lookout for a new posting.

thanks,

chuck hill