KEsta 4a ?

Thommy · 24 March 2009, 11:57 AM

Hi

I collect not long Fliegertruppe but this weekend i become a nice lot from a observer in the Kesta 4a. i can see many Photos from a soldier Büssing (Fighter ace??). in his Albatros Fighter etc correct??

My other ask is is in this group Boelcke flown?In his beginn of his carer?
Interessting is that in this lot some documents from the Kagohl and many Air photos from Verdun etc is.

Was from the kesta 4a a jasta create??

sorry for the english but i have no translator,,

Soderbaum · 26 March 2009, 02:16 PM

Hi Thommy

I dont think that Lt dR Heinrich Büssing (P) ever was in Kest 4a. Instead he joined Kest 4b in early summer of 1917 after leaving Jasta 5.

Kest 4a and Kest 4b was created when "old" Kest 4 was split up in two units on 15 Apr 17.
The location at that time for Kest 4b was Freiburg in Br., a nice town I have visited several times...

On 3 Oct 18 Kest 4b was renamed to Jasta 84w. I dont have any known observers serving in Kest 4b...sot it was basically an one-seater unit.

Kest 4a was stationed mostly at Böblingen near Stuttgart.

Oswald Boelcke was never in any Kest, but he served in the Verdun sector in spring - early summer of 1916.

Do you have any more names, then I maybe can help you identfying units..?

Gunnar

tcrean7828 · 27 March 2009, 12:37 AM

Mate,
Any chance of finding any pictures of Oblt. Werner von Bake, or his funeral or pictures of Boelcke and perhaps young

Werner Voss in that stack you have?

I have been looking for those three items for quite some time now.

Thanks in advance for any assistance.

ttfn

tcrean7828

tom

p.s. Werner Voss fan

Thommy · 27 March 2009, 01:18 AM

Hi

many thanks for the help but i mean i see on the Photos Boölecke and some other Pour le merit . i have some potos what i mean i see Erich hartmann the WW2 top ace.Is this possible???

About Voss i have a Photoalbum from his Jasta you see him for the Fokker and in his Husar uniform etc...

Cheers tommy

Thommy · 27 March 2009, 06:56 AM

hi

today iam at home and i see that was the kest 4b. i have a silver cup with signaturs from büssing etc in the kest 4 b. Sorry for my mistake but anyone knows about Büssing and Bölcke???

Cheers..

Thommy · 27 March 2009, 02:37 PM

here the cup with the signatures from büssing etc.. sorry for bad photo..

Thommy · 27 March 2009, 02:48 PM

lt büssing

Soderbaum · 29 March 2009, 12:46 AM

Hi Thommy

Thanks for the added information...

It is a chance that there might be connection between Boelcke and Büssing...however we must remember that photos of the "flying heroes" like Boelcke were widely circulated and probably ended up in hundreds of photo albums after the War....

During a month in the autumn of 1916, Büssings Jasta 5 served within the same Army as Jasta 2....so maybe Boelcke visited them some day..?

A problem is that I dont knew where Büssing came from when he joined Jasta 5 in late August of 1916. He was apparently attached to KEK Avillers (not an independant unit) but his home unit is unknown...

Do you have his service record, might be a small Militärpass or similar where all basic information is given, like units decorations etc....???

Gunnar