11/11/11

bristol scout · 12 November 2009, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ManfredT

Terry,

the rulers of the German Nation want NOT to take your freedom, that is bloody propaganda, which works even today. But I am sure a more objective view of history will take place. Great Britain saw Germany as a business rival, that was the reason for war - a pure affair of capitalism, but the rulers of Great Britain couldn't tell that.

Have a trip to Düsseldorf with a cheerfull "Kölle Alaaf", afterwards you can inform us if it's a battle cry or not. Same with "Düsseldorf Helau" in Cologne.

ManfredT

Manfred,
I can't help feeling you missed (not accidently of course) the point of this thread.
I feel your posts show scant repect for the fallen---of all countries--and your comments and general stance do not seem like those of the 'revisionist historian' you claim yourself to be!

More revision needed, I feel!

Dave.

Terrencejones · 12 November 2009, 09:42 AM

Whatever the case may be Manfred, I was merely trying to defuse what appeared to be another drawing of battle lines on the forum. Yesterday was the time to remember ALL those who were victims in the madness of War, allies and past enemy alike. Although today is another day I still see no profit in chanting battle cries. I will leave those with greater knowledge than I to respond to your claim Britains involvement in the war was based on business.
Personaly I think that to be more the propaganda of some in your own country than the actual truth. I am of course open to being educated on this matter.

Your friend Terry

ManfredT · 12 November 2009, 10:12 AM

Dave,

three cheerfull "Kölle Alaaf" for the living one.

YouTube- KÃ¶ln Heumarkt 11.11.2009 Karneval

Terry,

nothing to educate, but a lot to inform. WWI started as a continental war, but that was not enough for Great Britain. And please don't try to play the Belgium card. You know, and I know, Great Britain would have marched into this country 'for protection', and then to cross the border to invade Germany.

ManfredT

bristol scout · 12 November 2009, 10:23 AM

Hello Manfred,
i can only hope that you 'KNOW' that is twaddle of the first order!
Please tell me that as a revisionist (or any other kind of) historian, you KNOW that is rubbish!

I rather believe that America was also a 'Capitalist business rival' but we did'nt go to war with them!

Britain had NO territorial ambitions or claims in Europe---and you, I trust (as any kind of ---historian) know that full well.

Germany wanted Liebensraum---and it wanted Hegemony in Europe and an Empire 'in the sun'--of course it did'nt WANT war with england----it wanted a quick 'Thunderclap' Battle with no tomorrow ---like Cannae--or Sedan---It did'nt want to be drawn any further than it's European Conquests---But it was Quite prepared for War with Britain----hence the second biggest blue water Navy in the world! What was that for----patrolling the Danube?

C'mon now Manfred.

Dave.

Cigogne · 12 November 2009, 10:48 AM

Bristol scout, Terrencejones and Cameldriver,

Liebensraum!?!... that's a new one. (Liebensraum = Loving space) That would put a whole new spin on things! Ha! Got to watch your ie and ei in German vs. English pronounciation/spelling, else it makes you look silly.

I think you meant to say "Lebensraum" or "living space."

Also, I think you're all getting yourselves worked up. Manfred was showing what was going on in Köln on 11/11/09... a live festival of sorts.

Why does this have to turn it into a bloody argument? That wasn't the original intent of this thread as far as I can see.

bristol scout · 12 November 2009, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Cigogne

Terrencejones and Cameldriver,

Liebensraum!?!... that's a new one. (Liebensraum = Loving space) That would put a whole new spin on things! Ha! Got to watch your ie and ei in German vs. English pronounciation/spelling, else it makes you look silly.

I think you meant to say "Lebensraum" or "living space."

Also, I think you're all getting yourselves worked up. Manfred was showing what was going on in Köln on 11/11/09... a live festival of sorts.

Why does this have to turn it into a bloody argument? That wasn't the original intent of this thread as far as I can see.

Lebensraum is indeed what I meant---and spelling mistakes---even by experts--are indeed common here, and seldom make one 'look silly'---but you may indeed slant it that way if you wish. I also think the context left little room for thinking I was alluding to any love that Germany was feeling towards it's neighbours just about then! You forgot to mention that I also spelt England with a small 'e'----but perhaps you think that O.K.?

When Alex Revell was 'picked up' recently for his spelling gaffe he mentioned that a lot of intellectuals are bad spellers--now I don't consider myself either of those----- but I don't need to be 'instructed' about what this thread was about--my involvement had stopped at post no.-----2!!!!! Nor do I believe Manfreds comments were quite as innocent as you seem to be making out........

Romani · 12 November 2009, 11:25 AM

Speaking as a neutral, you should be ashamed of yourselves and instead you should follow the dignified example of president Sarkozy and chancellor Merkel who honoured together the fallen at the tomb of the Unknown Soldier in Paris.

Terrencejones · 12 November 2009, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Cigogne

Terrencejones and Cameldriver,

Liebensraum!?!... that's a new one. (Liebensraum = Loving space) That would put a whole new spin on things! Ha! Got to watch your ie and ei in German vs. English pronounciation/spelling, else it makes you look silly.

I think you meant to say "Lebensraum" or "living space."

Also, I think you're all getting yourselves worked up. Manfred was showing what was going on in Köln on 11/11/09... a live festival of sorts.

Why does this have to turn it into a bloody argument? That wasn't the original intent of this thread as far as I can see.

Silly me for spelling a word wrong I never even mentioned

Why does it have to turn into a bloody argument?
Simply ask who started it!

and anyway don't get too worked up it's only business when all said and done.

crankcase · 12 November 2009, 01:27 PM

There is a cemetery in Bucharest with German war dead from the Great War. The German Embassy organizes around this time a wreath-laying ceremony which is attended by numerous military attaches.

We are indeed united in death.There's no doubt about that!
marc
p.s. Was Manfred referring to the freedom sought by the Rhenish Republic (Rheinische Republik)? Konrad Adenauer was associated with that movement in the 20s. He was mayor of Cologne until kicked out by the Nazis.

bristol scout · 12 November 2009, 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crankcase

There is a cemetery in Bucharest with German war dead from the Great War. The German Embassy organizes around this time a wreath-laying ceremony which is attended by numerous military attaches.

We are indeed united in death.There's no doubt about that!
marc
p.s. Was Manfred referring to the freedom sought by the Rhenish Republic (Rheinische Republik)? Konrad Adenauer was associated with that movement in the 20s. He was mayor of Cologne until kicked out by the Nazis.

Hi Marc,
With all due respect my friend I think you need to look again at post no.4 to 'see' what Manfred was 'referring' to.

Dave.